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Postby no2leads » Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:53 am

by the way i don't get complete game bonus pts in case like this where Livan goes 9 but game goes extra innings? just thinking hopefully here...
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Postby Steve-o » Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:00 am

vladrules wrote:I was glad his next start was at home vs OAK but I won't be surprised if he does bad in next start. I was looking forward to him dominating OAK and I'd normally bench SP if prev start, pitcher threw a lot of pitches. but he should still handle oak easily. If it was a medium to hard team in his next start, I'd definitely bench him.

Hmmm... I have often thought about this, but I don't recall seeing any evidence that a pitcher will do worse. How is this strategy working out for you this year? Have you been doing this for a while and find it to be effective?
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Postby Madison » Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:27 am

vladrules wrote:What a freaking Frank Robinson? Was the bullpen tired? Nationals have a decent pen. It's not like Livan had a SO going. :-t

I'd like to hear the thought process behind him throwing 150 pitches too. :-?
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Postby BobbyRoberto » Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:29 am

Livan seems more able to handle a very heavy workload than any pitcher in baseball. He's been a horse for years and keeps on truckin'. I've read that he will "coast," meaning he doesn't go all out on every pitch. He hits spots, changes speeds, mixes it up. He pitches like a guy from 90 years ago, when pitchers didn't go all out on every pitch. When he needs it for a key at-bat or a key pitch, he can go full force, but he seems to be able to pitch at 80% effort, or whatever he needs to, and still be effective.
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Postby AKhomebrewer » Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:59 am

Twinskies wrote:...20 years ago this would just be another quality start. Livan would be back out there after 4 days rest, fresh and ready to go...

35 years ago he'd be back out there after 3 days rest. I think the pen had gotten a heavy workout over the last few days ... still, it's a bit unusual to see this in the 21st century (although I saw a high school game a few years ago where a kid threw 190 pitches :-D)
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Postby thehat » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:09 am

Horse or not, and occasionally coasting or not, I'm from the school that says 150 pitches is too many.
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Postby The Guru » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:15 am

He pitches against Oak in his next start.

How do ya'll think he'll do?
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Postby Jack-In-A-Box » Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:40 am

warrick95 wrote:He's a horse who's more valuable to his team than to fantasy teams because he provides many quality innings. Fantasy teams are better off finding alternatives who put up better numbers even if that's over less innings.

I love your thinking. It's why every year I'm able to get Livan. He's the 8th best ranked SP in my points league. But still every year he slides to the later rounds. His WHIP isn't that great but the guy knows how to WIN. And get decent K's and have a decent ERA. So if he helps me in 3 of 4 pitching cats in roto scoring as well, how is he still not valueable to fantasy teams?
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Postby wrveres » Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:50 am

Horse! ;-D

And for the record, Livan's team is 24-17 when he throws 120 plus.
And those were some pretty horrible teams. ;-)

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Pitches   DATE   Record   
121   Apr. 14   2005   W 5-3
130   Apr. 29   2005   W 5-1
131   May. 4    2005   W 5-2
123   May. 9    2005   W 4-3
123   May. 24   2005   L 4-3
121   May. 29   2005   W 3-2

128   May. 11   2004   L 8-5
124   May. 16   2004   W 6-1
122   Jun. 6    2004   L 6-5
135   Jun. 11   2004   L 1-0
141   Jun. 27   2004   W 9-4
121   Aug. 4    2004   L 5-4
122   Aug. 31   2004   W 8-0
120   Sep. 5    2004   W 4-3
143   Sep. 11   2004   L 8-1
131   Sep. 16   2004   L 4-3
124   Sep. 26   2004   L 2-1
120   Oct. 2    2004   W 6-3

124   Apr. 23   2003   L 6-2
124   May. 22   2003   W 8-2
121   Jun. 6    2003   W 13-10
122   Jul. 2    2003   W 11-4
125   Jul. 7    2003   W 8-1
122   Jul. 12   2003   W 7-1
124   Jul. 19   2003   L 4-3
127   Jul. 29   2003   L 2-1
126   Aug. 9    2003   W 3-1
131   Aug. 25   2003   W 12-1
121   Sep. 5    2003   W 6-2
138   Sep. 20   2003   W 4-3
122   Sep. 27   2003   L 4-2

122   Apr. 2    2002   W 9-2
125   May. 27   2002   W 7-3
121   Jun. 1    2002   L 5-4
130   Jun. 7    2002   L 2-1
125   Jun. 23   2002   L 3-1
132   Jul. 12   2002   W 9-0
120   Jul. 17   2002   W 5-4
123   Jul. 27   2002   L 5-1
126   Aug. 8    2002   L 9-3
138   Aug. 19   2002   W 3-0
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Postby thedukeorsino » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:40 am

According to people who work for the club, Livan throws extra pitches AND extra long toss on his offdays even after pitching complete games. I don't think that throwing 150+ in one game will affect his next start, though it might for any other pitcher out there.
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