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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu May 26, 2005 1:11 pm

After reading a lot of the threads on here arguing players value, I turned to the handy Rototimes value calculator to get an idea on what players are worth as of yesterday's totals. Using a 9/8 hitter/pitcher split, 5x5 format, here are some interesting discoveries:

Roberts, Abreu, ARod, and DLee tower over everyone else in terms of value right now. As a referrence - Tejada - who is obviously still top 10 - has roughly half the value these top 4 have.

Scotty Pods is currently the 2nd most valuable OF behind Abreu (ah - the power of SBs).

Carl Crawford is currently the #10 valued OF and 18th best hitter overall.

Andy Pettitte carries a negative value.

Ensberg has very similar value to Hinske.

Check it out for yourself - pretty interesting stuff:
http://excite.rototimes.com/index.php?s ... rojections
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Postby Dans » Thu May 26, 2005 1:50 pm

Thanks for the post, definitely useful.
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Postby BigMusky » Thu May 26, 2005 1:58 pm

Five of the Top 8 NL Hitters are on my team. Then throw in Guillen for another top 15 guy! Too bad five of them are outfielders :) My ACE is worth a 1.41! Yikes. Schmidt will pick it up.
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Postby Cleveland Steamers » Thu May 26, 2005 3:14 pm

According to this, Ive got 4 (Pujols, Roberts, Abreu, Lee) of the top 9 hitters in the ML and its a 14 team league...hopefully they dont all slow down at the same time...
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Postby ravenmad22 » Thu May 26, 2005 4:57 pm

Cornbread, you rock. Thanks for doing those calculations.
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Postby baseballnewb » Thu May 26, 2005 5:30 pm

Very interesting, though the dig on Pettitte wasn't needed. His stats are inflated because of his last game where he pitched injured and got absolutely shelled.
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Postby Amazinz » Thu May 26, 2005 9:02 pm

I don't mean to be a total boob but looking at dollar values in-season outside the context of a league can be misleading. Just like there is inflation/deflation during a draft, dollar values will be weighted based on how the statistics are shared among the teams in any one league.

These values are interesting anyway in a broader sense and since they didn't do it and the Mets are currently in a rain delay I ran the numbers in Excel to come up with the "value over baseline" spin on their data.

You can tell that they don't take positional value into account because Roberts is only worth ~$4 more than Abreu at this point in the season. According to their values the baseline 2B is worth $7.46 and the baseline OF is worth $13.07. So even if Roberts and Abreu had the exact same value, Roberts would have an automatic $5.61 edge due to position. So you can do the math and tell that the values as presented are skewed incorrectly. Also, they have some players not accounted for at certain positions and I didn't change that.

Here are there numbers taken one step further. I didn't do the pitchers because it's a little more involved and I didn't have all night. :) Here are the top 50 $ hitters according to RotoTimes values with position taken into account:

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Brian Roberts 53.13
Bob Abreu 43.40
Alex Rodriguez 42.23
Derrek Lee 34.35
Albert Pujols 22.83
Troy Glaus 20.68
Gary Sheffield 20.38
Scott Podsednik 20.06
Ichiro Suzuki 19.87
Miguel Cabrera 19.79
Alfonso Soriano 19.38
Miguel Tejada 19.26
Clint Barmes 17.43
Brandon Inge 17.00
Milton Bradley 16.64
David Dellucci 16.63
David Wright 16.03
Melvin Mora 16.00
Jason Varitek 15.97
Brady Clark 14.96
Johnny Damon 14.11
Luis Gonzalez 13.75
Carlos Lee 13.72
Derek Jeter 13.69
Jorge Posada 13.63
Adam Dunn 13.16
Craig Counsell 12.84
Morgan Ensberg 12.72
Jeff Kent 12.63
Chone Figgins 12.27
Chipper Jones 11.91
Cliff Floyd 10.94
Pat Burrell 10.93
Shea Hillenbrand 10.28
Joe Mauer 10.04
Eric Hinske 9.98
Tadahito Iguchi 9.24
Cesar Izturis 9.24
Ramon Hernandez 9.11
David Ortiz 8.46
Mike Sweeney 8.24
Torii Hunter 8.04
Nick Johnson 7.87
Jimmy Rollins 7.69
Craig Biggio 7.52
Javy Lopez 7.48
Tino Martinez 7.47
Pedro Feliz 7.32
Vladimir Guerrero 7.20
Julio Lugo 7.05
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Postby mamorris » Thu May 26, 2005 11:11 pm

Nice work. The other thing worth mentioning is that different $ calculators paint completely different stories as to a player's value. For example, http://www.baseballmonster.com has a rater that, using the same splits, has Podsednik at #49 overall and Crawford at #100. I'm not saying either one is necessarily right, but that the value of a player according to one rater isn't the be-all and end-all of the discussion.
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