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Postby beltrans_boy » Thu May 26, 2005 2:48 am

RynMan wrote:Poor Zack. :,-(

In my 11 team league he is on waivers, simply cuz my league is full of fools, and cuz he just isn't on a good enough team to be on my roster.


To think that there's an eventual Cy Young award winner sitting on the waivers in most leagues.

What a travesty.

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Postby Pogotheostrich » Thu May 26, 2005 9:10 am

SaintsOfTheDiamond wrote:I think he can develop into a Ben Sheets type pitcher in the next couple years. He will be valuable despite the lack of wins, but for the reamainder of this year he's probably not worth the roster spot in standard leagues. :,-(


Fantasy-wise he will never be Sheets. He isn't going to K that many people.

He is a fringe WW guy in a redraft but in a keeper he should be owned.
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Postby AT » Thu May 26, 2005 9:14 am

I was throwing around a couple threads about what to do with Greinke last week and I ended up coming to the following realization. His only 2 categories of value are ERA and WHIP and since he's an American league pitcher there are going to be teams you have to bench him against. A guy like that is more trouble than he's worth because you are only going to spot start him, likely not get the win and once and a while he is going to get hit up unexpectedly by a team that needs a win and gets fired up to beat up on the Royals. More trouble than he is worth and I'm lumping him in with guys like Blanton, Haren, Kazmir who are future stars and not really valuable right now. I got lucky and dropped him for Chris Capuano in a deep rostered 9 Team league :-D
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Postby swyck » Thu May 26, 2005 12:43 pm

RynMan wrote:Poor Zack. :,-(

In my 11 team league he is on waivers, simply cuz my league is full of fools, and cuz he just isn't on a good enough team to be on my roster.


Does that make you a fool for not picking him up? :)

Me, I'm trying to trade him in my roto league, and acquire him in my deep h2h. I'll probably wind up dropping him in roto.
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Postby Darkie Satchels » Thu May 26, 2005 12:50 pm

He just plays for the wrong team. You'll never get K's from the kid but you will get grand ERA and WHIP stats. Just too bad he can't get any backup from the offense. He should have 5-6 wins already. Unless you are in a deep-deep league, he's just not worth it until he is traded or actually has an offense to back his bad-ass arm up.

It's a shame really.
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Postby Manfred » Thu May 26, 2005 12:55 pm

agree with all, but I do think Greinke will become a pretty good strikeout pitcher (around 200 per year). His stuf is too good.
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Postby Darkie Satchels » Thu May 26, 2005 1:25 pm

Manfred wrote:agree with all, but I do think Greinke will become a pretty good strikeout pitcher (around 200 per year). His stuf is too good.


In 2 years. His progression has been pretty flatline for the past 3 years with littel to no improvement (but he hasn't gotten any worse either). He needs a better pitching coach and a solid elder to give him expert tudalage.
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Thu May 26, 2005 1:27 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:Fantasy-wise he will never be Sheets. He isn't going to K that many people.

He is a fringe WW guy in a redraft but in a keeper he should be owned.

Your right, I guess Sheets was a bad example but that's all I could come up with off the top of my head. I meant he will have good enough ERA, WHIP, etc to be a viable option despite the lack of wins but he should still have a decent number of Ks.
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Postby mkultra » Thu May 26, 2005 1:50 pm

Darkie Satchels wrote:He needs a better pitching coach and a solid elder to give him expert tudalage.


Bingo. He's 21, and the staff ace on a major league team. What's wrong with this picture?

Greinke's best hopes now are in new KC management, who should make it a priority to acquire some talent to groom their youngsters.
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