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Postby bronxxbomber » Wed May 18, 2005 12:44 pm

what are the best walk to strikeout for hitters and pitchers. i basically try and find guys who are close to 1:1 bb to k ratio, but what would be ideal for pitchers?
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Postby RugbyD » Wed May 18, 2005 12:54 pm

anything above 2.5:1 is very good
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Postby Pokeyouindaeye » Wed May 18, 2005 12:54 pm

For pitchers, it's generally anything greater then 2K/BB.
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Postby AT » Wed May 18, 2005 12:58 pm

Pedro struck out 313 and walked 37 in 1999 and in 2000 he struck out 284 and walked 32. So go by that.
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Postby bronxxbomber » Wed May 18, 2005 1:00 pm

Atrophying Testicles wrote:Pedro struck out 313 and walked 37 in 1999 and in 2000 he struck out 284 and walked 32. So go by that.


hmm it's hard to compare anything to those seasons :-D :-D
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Postby AT » Wed May 18, 2005 1:00 pm

Lieber, Wells, and Radke come to mind as guys who always have tremendous K/BB ratios...
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Postby Pokeyouindaeye » Wed May 18, 2005 1:16 pm

This Ben Sheets kid ain't that bad either.
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Postby KolbSaves » Wed May 18, 2005 1:29 pm

As someone pointed out in an earlier thread, k/bb is a fine ratio but only really significant if the pitcher actually strikes batters out with regularity. A study showed that .58 k/ip (5.22 k/9) was the magic number at which era's went down a lot for pitchers with similar k/bb. You can believe this number or not, but requiring strikeouts when evaluating peripheral stats makes sense. Would you rather have a pitcher who in 100 ip has 30k and 10bb for a 3 k/bb or a pitcher who has 75k and 30bb for a 2.5 k/bb?
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Postby bronxxbomber » Wed May 18, 2005 1:46 pm

KolbSaves wrote:As someone pointed out in an earlier thread, k/bb is a fine ratio but only really significant if the pitcher actually strikes batters out with regularity. A study showed that .58 k/ip (5.22 k/9) was the magic number at which era's went down a lot for pitchers with similar k/bb. You can believe this number or not, but requiring strikeouts when evaluating peripheral stats makes sense. Would you rather have a pitcher who in 100 ip has 30k and 10bb for a 3 k/bb or a pitcher who has 75k and 30bb for a 2.5 k/bb?


good point. any idea what kind of peripheral stats i should study for hitters?
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Postby KolbSaves » Wed May 18, 2005 2:20 pm

bronxxbomber wrote:
KolbSaves wrote:As someone pointed out in an earlier thread, k/bb is a fine ratio but only really significant if the pitcher actually strikes batters out with regularity. A study showed that .58 k/ip (5.22 k/9) was the magic number at which era's went down a lot for pitchers with similar k/bb. You can believe this number or not, but requiring strikeouts when evaluating peripheral stats makes sense. Would you rather have a pitcher who in 100 ip has 30k and 10bb for a 3 k/bb or a pitcher who has 75k and 30bb for a 2.5 k/bb?


good point. any idea what kind of peripheral stats i should study for hitters?


I like the newly developed PrOPS

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/stats2005/alprops
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/stats2005/nlprops

If a player has a negative PrOPS+ then he is actually playing better than his OPS shows and should improve that number soon.

Here's the article: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/artic ... ing-props/
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