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Postby Titanic Grizzlie » Sun May 15, 2005 11:13 pm

Should this guy be a clear buy low for the savvy owner right now?

OR

Is pitching in the AL East as compared to the NL uncovering the Medicore pitcher that he really is?
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Postby This is the year » Sun May 15, 2005 11:20 pm

I haven't seen him pitch, but I've heard that he's been living in the 88-89 mph range on his fastball, a few mph drop from last year.

Offhand I wouldn't expect a stellar season from him. He's got some skills, but NL east to AL east is a huge transition, and his acquisition reeks of overpaid mediocre starter who will not repeat his career year (Jaret Wright says hi)
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Postby blankman » Sun May 15, 2005 11:27 pm

This is the year wrote:I haven't seen him pitch, but I've heard that he's been living in the 88-89 mph range on his fastball, a few mph drop from last year.

Offhand I wouldn't expect a stellar season from him. He's got some skills, but NL east to AL east is a huge transition, and his acquisition reeks of overpaid mediocre starter who will not repeat his career year (Jaret Wright says hi)


Then don't forget Matt Clement in that statement ;-)
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Postby This is the year » Sun May 15, 2005 11:30 pm

blankman wrote:Then don't forget Matt Clement in that statement ;-)


Are you kidding me? Matt Clement is a far superior pitcher, and it really isn't close.
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Postby NZF » Sun May 15, 2005 11:30 pm

No point selling him because no one will be interested.

I never expected him to go close to last seasons numbers in New York but I did draft him in one league expecting plenty of WINS. That hasn't happened thanks initially to a bad Yankees bullpen and subsequently to terrible defense. He has given up way too many hits and in particular homers though to have anyone else but himself to blame for been only 2-2 from his 8 starts.

If I decide not to send him to the WW I'll only be starting him when he has favourable matchups from here on in. I wouldn't even bother attempting to trade him at this point and I certainly wouldn't want to buy low on him in my other leagues.
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Postby The Punisher » Sun May 15, 2005 11:33 pm

Id personally stay away from Pavano, he seems to be like Jaret Wright only a little better. He just had a fluke season IMO and hes another guy who is going to crack under the lights of New York. If he doesnt do it pretty soon dont be surprised if he does around the July or August time. I tell you, I know its coming.
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Postby Secret Avatar » Sun May 15, 2005 11:34 pm

I've seen every one of his games. With the exception of the last game, which was a disaster, he's been solid. His fastball has been in the 90 to 93 mph range, and he's shown good movement and control. He's been killed by putrid defense, weak run support, awful relief support, and just bad luck. He's also been going from high K rates to low rates. I don't think he's found his groove yet. The AL East is tough to pitch in, but he has the skills and things have to turn around for him. I still expect that by the end of the year he posts something like 16 wins, 3.85 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, and 140 K.

I wouldn't sell him at this point, because he's worth dirt. He might be a good pick-up to hold on to and hope things turn around.
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Postby NZF » Sun May 15, 2005 11:37 pm

The Punisher wrote:Id personally stay away from Pavano, he seems to be like Jaret Wright only a little better. He just had a fluke season IMO and hes another guy who is going to crack under the lights of New York. If he doesnt do it pretty soon dont be surprised if he does around the July or August time. I tell you, I know its coming.


July / August :-? I think he's already cracked.

His last 3 starts in New York he has given up 19 runs in 16 innings.
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Postby The Punisher » Sun May 15, 2005 11:42 pm

New Zealand Fan wrote:
The Punisher wrote:Id personally stay away from Pavano, he seems to be like Jaret Wright only a little better. He just had a fluke season IMO and hes another guy who is going to crack under the lights of New York. If he doesnt do it pretty soon dont be surprised if he does around the July or August time. I tell you, I know its coming.


July / August :-? I think he's already cracked.

His last 3 starts in New York he has given up 19 runs in 16 innings.


I mean like REALLLLLY crack, like pull an Esteban Loaiza or something
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Postby myteamsucks » Mon May 16, 2005 12:00 am

blankman wrote:

Then don't forget Matt Clement in that statement


Are you kidding me? Matt Clement is a far superior pitcher, and it really isn't close.



i beg to differ, pavano is ten times better.
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