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Postby nuggets » Fri May 13, 2005 6:52 pm

big shot wrote:juan pierre said its his goal this year to win the batting title if that means anything


You'd hope that would be the goal every year for a player like Juan.
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Postby nuggets » Fri May 13, 2005 6:53 pm

TheAbreu wrote:Perhaps the batting title is a little above his level, considering he does K a bunch, t


Oh he walks plenty too :-)

There aren't too many guys who can compete for the best AVG that k 100 or so times a year though. Berkman, Abreu, Mora, Rolen anyothers?
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Postby davidmarver » Fri May 13, 2005 7:50 pm

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Postby CPHFighter1 » Fri May 13, 2005 9:45 pm

CubsFan7724 wrote:Barmes? Did you do his projection based on his blistering start? Thats not a good way to project numbers. Pujols may win the triple crown this year.


Yes, I did. And what exactly leads you to believe that he won't keep hitting well all year? His good minor league numbers, not striking out a lot, hitting in Coors, and hitting in front of Helton? Counting 2004 (and a very brief 2003) , he's hitting .351 in 225 ABs with only 33 K. If you're going to rip someone on the boards, back it up with something. I'm interested in REASONS why he won't.

beltrans_boy wrote:Pujols.
Barmes won't even be in the top 10.


Yes he will.

The Punisher wrote:You almost know its going to be Pujols or Helton, its basically a race between those two. Barmes shouldnt even be considered. I hate it when people take how well a player is doing the first month and they say thats how he is going to perform for rest the of the year(with the exception of Brian Roberts :-b ...ok maybe im being a hypocrite)


Yes, you are.

wavetide007 wrote:TAKE BARMES OFF THERE


NO

big shot wrote:juan pierre said its his goal this year to win the batting title if that means anything


Pierre should have been the first guy mentioned that I left off the list. .305 in 2003, .326 in 2004, hits lefties and righties, and he'll be 27 this year, an age when most hitters break out. In addition, he now has 2 big hitters behind him.


Basically, I wouldn't have posted Barmes if I didn't think there wouldn't be a minor stir caused. I'm interested in anyone's valid reasons why he CAN'T keep it up other than "BARMES STINKS, PUJOLS RULZ!!!1"
I realize that projection could come back and ruin my credibility in future postings, but it was mainly just to get some conversation going. Safe predictions are boring, and I'll be the first to re-open the post at the end of the year if I'm way off.
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Postby nuggets » Fri May 13, 2005 10:01 pm

Helton vs.

Webb: 2/7 1K
Hudson 2/2 1BB
Smoltz 3/4
Beckett 1/4 2BB
D-Train 0/3
Penny 2/6
Weaver 1/3
Peavy 1/3 1K
Schmidt 0/4 2BB

So against the same pitching Helton has struck out only twice and bats (12/36) .333

With Abreu and Helton as examples I think you can see where the comparisons stop with Barmes.
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Postby TheAbreu » Fri May 13, 2005 10:04 pm

Well, I like Barmes so far, but have no expectations. But that's a flawed stat. Not many players hit good pitchers. Good pitching shuts down good hitting, as the addage goes.
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Postby nuggets » Fri May 13, 2005 10:10 pm

TheAbreu wrote:Well, I like Barmes so far, but have no expectations. But that's a flawed stat. Not many players hit good pitchers. Good pitching shuts down good hitting, as the addage goes.


As flawed as any other analysis( not mine in particular but looking at the cream of the crop). I certianly don't expect a player to hit well vs. the best and .243 should keep you alive on those "bad" days. I'm wondering if someone has access to a "vs. top 20 pitchers " stat
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Postby nuggets » Fri May 13, 2005 10:17 pm

Abreu vs.

Hudson 0/1 BB
Smoltz 0/2 BB
Prior 0/6 2K
Zambrano 2/3 1BB 1K
Beckett 1/2 1K
Burnett 3/6 1BB
D-Train 1/7
Pedro 0/2 1BB 1K
Mulder 2/4
Livan 1/3 1BB
Loaiza 0/5 1BB 2K 8-o .......just kidding

Abreu has gone vs. better pitching than Barmes and is batting .278 (10/36)
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Postby nuggets » Fri May 13, 2005 10:26 pm

nuggets wrote:Helton vs.

Webb: 2/7 1K
Hudson 2/2 1BB
Smoltz 3/4
Beckett 1/4 2BB
D-Train 0/3
Penny 2/6
Weaver 1/3
Peavy 1/3 1K
Schmidt 0/4 2BB

So against the same pitching Helton has struck out only twice and bats (12/36) .333

With Abreu and Helton as examples I think you can see where the comparisons stop with Barmes.



Well that was great, instead of quote I hit edit.

Anyway vs. the same pitching as Helton, Barmes went .243

Anyway for a mod to revert to my original post with the Barmes info?
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Postby TheAbreu » Fri May 13, 2005 10:28 pm

That's a flawed way to look at a hitter though in so many ways.

Anyways, Barmes with 2 HRs, as I last second started him over Berkman, who was out of the lineup. I'll take it. ;-D
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