Rowand wrote:i got an amazing stat he never won anything in his life
No doubt. Ted Williams, Ernie Banks, Carlton Fisk, Barry Bonds, Ty Cobb, Ryne Sandberg, Harmen Killebrew, Ralph Kiner, Ken Griffey Jr, Frank Thomas, and Rod Carew all agree Mattingly is overrated because he couldn't win a World Series.
Don was a good player but will never make the HOF.
As far as low K numbers, it looks nice, but in reality, how often you make outs, is way more important. The difference between a 50 K hitter and 150 K hitter over a season, is very small, about 2 runs created.
TAVISH, interesting you name Cobb as your guy. I like Ruth/Bonds 1-2 as far as overall players. Hitter i go Ruth, although Bonds and Ted are close. Had Ted not lost 5 key years, he could be there. Ruth lost abs pitching, and won nearly 100 games. Hard to top Ruth.
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it would have been bonds if he didnt take steroids and put up those numbers from 2001-2004.
Also ruth hit more homeruns then TEAMS, and has to be the greatest player of all time because he was a dominant hall of fame bound pitcher too.
also you guys are talking about guys who didnt strike out look at Cobb. i know he didnt see 97 mph heaters but he went FOUR YEARS in a row with 550 plus at bats without striking out, and NEVER grounded into a Double PLay.
my Ty Cobb stat of the day..
also Ruth has the career slugging percent title of all time, its way over 600, if you do that for one season you are a top player, his career average was way over that, and he didnt juice, and not too mention he has 7 rings with New York and Boston...
So if ur gonna say Ted Williams or Bonds is the greatest player ever lets see them dominate on the mound...
Well said and completely true. Ruth's lifetime slugging percentage was higher than B*nds' highest single season slugging percentage pre-BALCO.
Ruth never corked his bat. The B*nds apologists try to smear everyone in pathetically transparent attempts to make B*rry look like less of a cheating scumbag. Take away his drugs and B*nds is top 50 all time, but he'll still retire without a Ring, with plenty of post season choke jobs in his legacy.
HOOTIE wrote:Don was a good player but will never make the HOF.
As far as low K numbers, it looks nice, but in reality, how often you make outs, is way more important. The difference between a 50 K hitter and 150 K hitter over a season, is very small, about 2 runs created.
TAVISH, interesting you name Cobb as your guy. I like Ruth/Bonds 1-2 as far as overall players. Hitter i go Ruth, although Bonds and Ted are close. Had Ted not lost 5 key years, he could be there. Ruth lost abs pitching, and won nearly 100 games. Hard to top Ruth.
Wow Hootie, I respect what you write but I'll bet you any amount of $ that Don makes it into the Hall.
From baseball reference-
HOF Monitor: Batting - 133.5 (92) (Likely HOFer > 100)
This is another Jamesian creation. It attempts to assess how likely (not how deserving) an active player is to make the Hall of Fame. It's rough scale is 100 means a good possibility and 130 is a virtual cinch. It isn't hard and fast, but it does a pretty good job.
Of course you have your own statisitcal back up Hoots-
HOF Standards: Batting - 34.1 (206) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
-Slap- wrote:Ruth never corked his bat. The B*nds apologists try to smear everyone in pathetically transparent attempts to make B*rry look like less of a cheating scumbag. Take away his drugs and B*nds is top 50 all time, but he'll still retire without a Ring, with plenty of post season choke jobs in his legacy.
Ummm, someone back me up here, Ruth is the originator of the corked bat. You can't(EDIT-oops) bust the god of baseball for stuff like that, especially back then. Although the commish back then pursued Ruth and his "funny bats" as illegal.
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-Slap- wrote:Ruth never corked his bat. The B*nds apologists try to smear everyone in pathetically transparent attempts to make B*rry look like less of a cheating scumbag. Take away his drugs and B*nds is top 50 all time, but he'll still retire without a Ring, with plenty of post season choke jobs in his legacy.
Lot of hate for BB in that post. Ruth was caught corking, although it doesn't change my opinion of him, since nearly everyone who has played, has cheated in some form. Bonds didn't start taking till 2000 as far as i know. He was the player of the 90's roids free (3 mvps). That 02 post season by Bonds has been equaled by few. Had SF had a bullpen, Bonds has a ring. Don't blame the one guy who put SF there.
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