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Postby nuggets » Sat May 14, 2005 10:56 pm

He may not be a genius but he certianly is the perfect GM for his team, as perfect as perfect can be anyway.
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Postby looptid » Sat May 14, 2005 10:59 pm

beltrans_boy wrote:What about the Expos?!


Assembling a team from players currently in the majors:

1. Vidro (2B)
2. Walker (RF)
3. Guerrero (CF)
4. Alou (LF)
5. Floyd (1B)
6. Cabrera (SS)
7. Barrett (C)
8. A. Gonzalez (3B)
9. Pitcher

Bench:
OF - Bradley
OF - White
OF/CIF - Stairs (L)
MIF - Grudzielanek
CIF - Wilkerson (L)
C - Schenider (L)

SP - Martinez
SP - Johnson (L)
SP - Colon
SP - Vazquez
SP - Hernandez
LR - Pavano
RP - Ayala
RP - Urbina
SU - Kline (L)
SU - Mota
CL - Cordero
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Postby looptid » Sat May 14, 2005 11:01 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:Except Mulder was not a free agent until the ennd of 06. He could have waited on him. He also could have held ot with Hudson and traded him to a contender before the deadline this year. For all the BS of Moneyball, it still comes down to you get what you pay for. No Tejada, no Mulder, no Hudson = one crummy team.


Waiting for the deadline is most certainly not a good move. How much did the Royals get for Beltran? If other GMs know you are not going to resign the guy they're trading for, and have two weeks to get rid of him, it's a buyer's market. Shopping Hudson in the offseason meant Beane had plenty of time and could afford to reject all offers.
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Postby George_Foreman » Sat May 14, 2005 11:10 pm

no way you start alou and walker ahead of wilkerson, at least not at this point in their careers. :-)
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Postby Pedantic » Sat May 14, 2005 11:40 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:Except Mulder was not a free agent until the ennd of 06. He could have waited on him. He also could have held ot with Hudson and traded him to a contender before the deadline this year. For all the BS of Moneyball, it still comes down to you get what you pay for. No Tejada, no Mulder, no Hudson = one crummy team.


Argh. For the last time, Mulder was going to be a free agent after '05. There was a club option for '06. Obviously, the A's couldn't afford or weren't willing to pay the money he would get had they picked up the option. The Cardinals have more money to throw around and, therefore, they can afford to pick up his '06 option.
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Sun May 15, 2005 12:04 am

TheYanks04 wrote:Except Mulder was not a free agent until the ennd of 06. He could have waited on him. He also could have held ot with Hudson and traded him to a contender before the deadline this year. For all the BS of Moneyball, it still comes down to you get what you pay for. No Tejada, no Mulder, no Hudson = one crummy team.

He was capitalizing on inefficiencies in the market, particularly the pitching market. Did you see what marginal pitchers were going for this offseason? Pavano, Wright, Ortiz, Lowe, etc etc. He was dangling two pitchers out there who were far more appealing than most every FA that was out there. This offseason was the best time to move the two guys he knew he couldn't keep. And, like others have said, deadline deals sound great, but you rarely get as much value in return because of the impending deadline and fear of not getting a deal done at all.

Pedantic wrote:Argh. For the last time, Mulder was going to be a free agent after '05. There was a club option for '06. Obviously, the A's couldn't afford or weren't willing to pay the money he would get had they picked up the option. The Cardinals have more money to throw around and, therefore, they can afford to pick up his '06 option.

That was as much a factor in the Mulder deal as anything. The option was not going to be exercised by the team so that the "rebuilding" process would not have to be strung out over several years. Mulder and Hudson -- Beane's two biggest bargaining chips -- were going to walk at the end of this year, and rather than keep them and get less at the deadline, the A's moved them during the winter so that the young pitchers would have even more seasoning for the future.
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Postby nuggets » Sun May 15, 2005 3:52 am

I don't know if this has been mentioned but it has to support Beane in some way

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