Conner wrote:Either way...Save percetage is still a terrible statistic. Does it factor in two inning opportunies? Or how many times each of them came in with a 1 run lead, with guys on base? I'm not even going to bother with the "pressure situations" stuff (although it's tough to argue against Rivera being in many more of them than Hoffman) because it's just not quantifiable.
But, again: I know that, as a Padre's fan, you've not nothing else to be proud of besides Trevor Hoffman....but nobody else cares.
Wouldn't, in theory, it make more sense that Rivera came in with three-run leads more often than Hoffman since the Yankees have always been a better hitting team?
And the whole pressure thing is ridiculous. If a closer can't close in pressure situations what's the purpose of closing?
No.
Can't you just lt it go?
The entire reason this "debate" started was because I said Rivera's one of the few guys who've stayed dominant over a long time, without getting hurt.
In return, you come up with save percentage (88 to 87) and the fact that Hoffman had one single season that's better than Rivera's.
Rivera's 100X better than Trevor Hoffman, and always has been. Hoffman could never do anything Rivera has done.
Rivera is the single reason for the yankees success during his career, and Hoffman is the reason for the Padre's sucking all these years.
Go cry about it.
lol...Rivera's come through in the playoffs.
When you compare reg season stats, Hoffman matches up very well. However, when you account for the number of big games (playoffs) Rivera's saved in his career, he is by far the more reliable closer.
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davidmarver wrote:Hoffman is a better closer, dude. Sorry to inform you East Coasters. In fact, the best two closers in baseball history play less than two hours apart.
"Dude"...I already told you that Rivera is 100 times better than Hoffman, and you'v done not a single thing to prove otherewise.
You lose. The funny thing is...you really weren't even arguing with anyone. Your arguments just stunk so bad, that they disqualified you, right from the start.
davidmarver wrote:Hoffman is a better closer, dude. Sorry to inform you East Coasters. In fact, the best two closers in baseball history play less than two hours apart.
"Dude"...I already told you that Rivera is 100 times better than Hoffman, and you'v done not a single thing to prove otherewise.
You lose. The funny thing is...you really weren't even arguing with anyone. Your arguments just stunk so bad, that they disqualified you, right from the start.
I'm sure that's it, seeing as you have used ONE statistic the entire time and it has nothing to do with being a closer. Oh yeah, and if Hoffman was your closer, the Yanks would probably have two more World Series Championships. Sorry to rub it in, but a few post season appearanced don't make you a complete stud. If it does then lets all just induct Jim Leyritz in the Hall of Fame.
davidmarver wrote:Hoffman is a better closer, dude. Sorry to inform you East Coasters. In fact, the best two closers in baseball history play less than two hours apart.
"Dude"...I already told you that Rivera is 100 times better than Hoffman, and you'v done not a single thing to prove otherewise.
You lose. The funny thing is...you really weren't even arguing with anyone. Your arguments just stunk so bad, that they disqualified you, right from the start.
I'm sure that's it, seeing as you have used ONE statistic the entire time and it has nothing to do with being a closer. Oh yeah, and if Hoffman was your closer, the Yanks would probably have two more World Series Championships. Sorry to rub it in, but a few post season appearanced don't make you a complete stud. If it does then lets all just induct Jim Leyritz in the Hall of Fame.
"Dude"....a freakin' Padres fan is not capable of rubbing anything in, against anyone.
And, I know I've only "used" one stat. Have you really not noticed that you're the only person who really cares about this silly "argument"?
If Trevor Hoffman were the closer for the Yankees, they'd have zero world championships. I have no reason to believe otherwise.
All of you take your bickering to PMs or another thread, its not even on topic. Anyways, making Wood a closer is not a good idea. He walks too many people to be effective.
by JustAnotherYanksFan » Sat May 07, 2005 12:14 am
I agree. Not only does Wood have poor control, which can be disastrous for a closer, but he's just much more valuable as a starter. Don't forget that a closer isn't really that valuable - he just happens to come in during high-pressure situations. If someone said, "Hey, why don't the Cubs shift Kerry Wood to the bullpen?", then they'd probably get laughed at. But a closer? Well, that's completely different...
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