Top 60 SP, feel free to contribute

[jjigglers]

Rankings geared towards future performance, and having nothing to do with past performance. Feel free to put input, this isnt really for me, but for everyone else to see where their pitchers stand. 12 team league, say 5 SP on each roster, 60 pitchers.

1 Johan Santana, Min
2 Randy Johnson, NYY
3 Pedro Martinez, NYM
4 Jason Schmidt, SF
5 Mark Prior, ChC
6 Roy Oswalt, Hou
7 Curt Schilling, Bos
8 Ben Sheets, Mil
9 Jake Peavy, SD
10 Tim Hudson, Atl
11 Roger Clemens, Hou
12 Rich Harden, Oak

13 Josh Beckett, Fla
14 Roy Halladay, Tor
15 Carlos Zambrano, ChC
16 John Smoltz, Atl
17 Oliver Perez, Pit
18 Mark Mulder, StL
19 A.J. Burnett, Fla
20 Javier Vazquez, Ari
21 Kerry Wood, ChC
22 Kelvim Escobar, Ana
23 Mike Mussina, NYY
24 Chris Carpenter, Stl

25 Livan Hernandez, Was
26 Bartolo Colon, Ana
27 Dontrelle Willis, Fla
28 Matt Clement, Bos
29 Jon Lieber, Phi
30 Derek Lowe, LAD
31 Carl Pavano, NYY
32 Brandon Webb, Ari
33 Odalis Perez, LA
34 Mark Buehrle, ChW
35 Freddy Garcia, ChW
36 Brad Radke, Min

37 C.C. Sabathia, Cle
38 Greg Maddux, ChC
39 Jeremy Bonderman, Det
40 Jon Garland, ChW
41 Zack Greinke, KC
42 Bret Myers, Phi
43 Brad Penny, LA
44 John Patterson, Was
45 Jeff Weaver, LA
46 Matt Morris, Stl
47 Mike Hampton, Atl
48 Wade Miller, Bos

49 Barry Zito, Oak
50 Jake Westbrook, Cle
51 Gustavo Chacin, Tor
52 Esteban Loaiza, Was
53 John Thomson, Atl
54 Doug Davis, Mil
55 Andy Pettitte, Hou
56 Bruce Chen, Bal
57 Jason Marquis, Stl
58 Al Leiter, Fla
59 Jamie Moyer, Sea
60 Bronson Arroyo, Bos

Just Missed:
Erik Bedard, Bal
David Wells, Bos
Orlando Hernandez, ChW
Jaret Wright, NYY
Josh Towers, Tor
Dan Haren, Oak
Joe Blanton, Oak

[Mugrila]

maybe its just me but i think garcia should at least be up with colon and buehrle. other than that it looks fairly accurate with nobody too far out of place.

[jjigglers]

thats true, i actually think that too.

[ocmusicjunkie]

1) No Wade Miller on this list?!

2) Hudson should be higher if we're talking real-life. If you wanna knock him down to 10th in fantasy for K's, that's fine.

3) Zito needs to be way higher than that... I know he's been in a slump... but below Weaver and Hampton?

[AT]

Jason Marquis belongs on this list.

[AT]

No Wade Miller? Ummm after complete arm reconstruction and not pitching for a year he's a top 60 pitcher just like that? I don't think so...

John Thomson also belongs on this list, maybe Adam Eaton.

[jjigglers]

I could have sworn Thomson was on there. I agree with Marquis also. As for Hudson, this is a fantasy board, and the list geared towards fantasy players.

As for Zito, how high are you proposing he go? I'm hestitant to put a guy who allowed 4 or more runs in a start 17 times last year, and in this year (which was supposed to be his bounceback year), allowed 4 or more runs in 4 of his 6 starts.

[ocmusicjunkie]

Miller should be top 25 if he comes back fully healthy.

You can't just say he sucks because he was hurt. Consider that for 768 career IP his ERA is 3.8 with a .244 BAA and 7.7 K/9, and he's only 28 years old.

[Yoda]

Rankings geared towards future performance, and having nothing to do with past performance. Feel free to put input, this isnt really for me, but for everyone else to see where their pitchers stand. 12 team league, say 5 SP on each roster, 60 pitchers.

1 Johan Santana, Min
2 Randy Johnson, NYY
3 Pedro Martinez, NYM
4 Jason Schmidt, SF
5 Mark Prior, ChC
6 Roy Oswalt, Hou
7 Curt Schilling, Bos
8 Ben Sheets, Mil
9 Jake Peavy, SD
10 Tim Hudson, Atl

11 Roger Clemens, Hou
12 Rich Harden, Oak
13 Josh Beckett, Fla
14 Roy Halladay, Tor
15 Dontrelle Willis, Fla
16 A.J. Burnett, Fla
17 Carlos Zambrano, ChC
18 John Smoltz, Atl
19 Kerry Wood, ChC
20 Mark Mulder, StL

21 Oliver Perez, Pit
22 Javier Vazquez, Ari
23 Kelvim Escobar, Ana
24 Matt Clement, Bos
25 Derek Lowe, LAD
26 Livan Hernandez, Was
27 Chris Carpenter, Stl
28 Jon Lieber, Phi
29 Carl Pavano, NYY
30 Mike Mussina, NYY

31 Bret Myers, Phi
32 Brandon Webb, Ari
33 Mark Buehrle, ChW
34 Bartolo Colon, Ana
35 Freddy Garcia, ChW
36 Odalis Perez, LA
37 Jon Garland, ChW
38 C.C. Sabathia, Cle
39 John Patterson, Was
40 Greg Maddux, ChC

41 Brad Radke, Min
42 Zack Greinke, KC
43 Mike Hampton, Atl
44 Jeff Weaver, LA
45 Matt Morris, Stl
46 Jeremy Bonderman, Det
47 Wade Miller, Bos
48 Jake Westbrook, Cle
49 Gustavo Chacin, Tor
50 Brad Penny, LA

51 Bruce Chen, Bal
52 Erik Bedard, Bal
53 John Thomson, Atl
54 Doug Davis, Mil
55 Andy Pettitte, Hou
56 Jason Marquis, Stl
57 Al Leiter, Fla
58 Jamie Moyer, Sea
59 Barry Zito, Oak
60 Josh Towers, Tor

Just Missed:
David Wells, Bos
Orlando Hernandez, ChW
Jaret Wright, NYY
Bronson Arroyo, Bos
Wade Miller, Bos
Dan Haren, Oak
Joe Blanton, Oak

I'd take Beckett and Burnett over Prior, Schilling, Oswalt and maybe even Hudson. Kerry Wood is NOT a top 20 pitcher.

[jjigglers]

i reckon wood needs to be dropped, but i think beckett and burnett need 3-4 more starts to prove that they are worthy of a 5-10ish ranking.

as for woods ranking, i couldnt drop him lower than 22nd, becuase i feel like if someone said they would give wood for anyone below that spot, i think most owners would take wood.