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Postby benjapage » Sun May 01, 2005 7:11 pm

thing is...(and i don't really care one way or another), affeldt has not really thrived in the closer role. if ambiorix, the gaulic prince is able to perform consistently and well, why would they remove him? affeldt would rather be a starter anyway.

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Postby Amazinz » Sun May 01, 2005 8:17 pm

slomo007 wrote:
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bost0n wrote:Bad teams dont mean minimal saves.

I am fine with them scoring minimal runs because then if they are up it will be close, so Burgos has the opportunity.


When the team is as bad as the Royals are, he won't get many save opps. I know what you're talking about, but there are exceptions when the team is just terrible....and KC is just terrible.

It doesn't matter. The worst team in the league will still have 40+ SVOs to show for at the end of the season.


The Royals will be lucky to have 40 wins, much less 40 save opps.

I seriously doubt that Slomo. Do you know when the last time is that a team failed to get 40 SVOs? I don't but I went back about 5 seasons and it hasn't happened.
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Postby unclepaulie » Sun May 01, 2005 10:25 pm

But Affeldt is the full time closer though


Are you sure about that? Don't you think Tony Pena and Royals Mgmt are just a bit tired of all the nagging injuries this guy sustains? He can't string more than three weeks together before they have to search for a short term fix. IMO if Burgos is lights out filling in he will keep the job even when Affeldt returns.
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Postby slomo007 » Sun May 01, 2005 10:27 pm

Maybe some KC fans have some more updated info, but I thought Affeldt was a fan favorite and is still the full-time closer. That's the last I have heard on the situation.
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Postby thehat » Sun May 01, 2005 10:36 pm

slomo007 wrote:Maybe some KC fans have some more updated info, but I thought Affeldt was a fan favorite and is still the full-time closer. That's the last I have heard on the situation.


I know that Pena commented upon the arrival of Burgos that he would be given a chance to win and keep the job. It would not surprise me to see Affeldt eventually end up back in the rotation. Nor would it surprise me to see a situational ninth inning rotation when he returns from this latest ding.

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Postby Tavish » Sun May 01, 2005 10:36 pm

There is no fan favorite right now in KC. It is practically impossible to guess what Pena will do because even he doesn't know what he is going to do on most days. I don't think Affeldt is a lock to get the job back if Burgos excels in the role. If the Royals are building towards the future as management has constantly said (usually as an excuse for the poor performance) then Burgos should absolutely stay in the role as there is very little chance Affeldt will be around next season.

As far as save opps go, they will be there. The Royals are going to play close games all year long. There is very little chance that they will be on the losing end of (basically) all of them as has been the case so far.
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Postby unclepaulie » Sun May 01, 2005 11:02 pm

Does anybody have any stats containing the SVO for teams over the last few years?
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Postby slomo007 » Sun May 01, 2005 11:04 pm

unclepaulie wrote:Does anybody have any stats containing the SVO for teams over the last few years?


Specifically, the 2003 Tigers. I would compare this year's Royals to the '03 Tigers.
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Postby unclepaulie » Sun May 01, 2005 11:08 pm

Did a search here's what I found:

http://www.fantasybaseballcafe.com/foru ... hlight=svo

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Something to keep in mind about save opps: you only get credit for one in the 7th or 8th inning if you blow it. If you don't blow a 7th/8th inning save opp you get credited with a hold. So teams with bad MR's might have an artificially high amount of save opps, and vice versa with teams who have good MR's. Sorted by most to worst:

TEAM Sv BS SvO
NY Yankees 161 51 212
Atlanta 156 54 210
Pittsburgh 137 71 208
St. Louis 141 67 208
Cincinnati 127 71 198
Los Angeles 165 32 197
Minnesota 140 57 197
San Francisco 129 67 196
Houston 140 52 192
Oakland 131 61 192
Anaheim 143 47 190
Philadelphia 124 64 188
Colorado 113 70 183
Florida 125 55 180
San Diego 122 57 179
Milwaukee 118 59 177
Texas 120 55 175
Boston 123 51 174
Cleveland 100 72 172
Toronto 106 66 172
Arizona 115 54 169
Montreal 112 56 168
Chicago Cubs 101 64 165
Kansas City 91 74 165
Detroit 95 68 163
Tampa Bay 107 56 163
Seattle 109 52 161
NY Mets 105 51 156
Baltimore 99 56 155
Chicago Sox 105 40 145
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Postby slomo007 » Sun May 01, 2005 11:13 pm

Yeah I found out that the Tigers won 43 games that year (2003) and had 46 save chances. I would expect something similar out of the Royals...maybe 50 wins and 50 save chances.

If Burgos keeps his everyday job as it sounds like he has the chance to do...he's obviously got some value...but if he's just a temporary fix, I think there are better options out there. I personally think he's just temporary. :-?
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