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Postby CubsFan7724 » Sun May 01, 2005 2:44 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
CubsFan7724 wrote:They are both awful, but at least Houston will improve with Berkman. Who are the As waiting to come back? :-D


Crosby.

And somehow, I don't think Chavez, Kendall, and Durazo will all finish the season with an OPS under .700!

The fact is the A's only have two guys who are htting within 100 points of their career OPS averages right now. Despite what Madison thinks, the A's are better than about half the offenses in the league. By the end of the year, they will easily top TB, KC, Seattle, LA, and Tor and have a good shot at besting Balt, Cle, Chi, and Det, with a 50/50 shot at clearing everyon else except Boston.

Crosby and his mediocre OPS? Yeah I don't think those 3 you mentioned will finish behind .700. I think if they hit like they should, they will be an average offense. I don't see them beating Baltimore. There is too many good hitters there. Easily topping TB, KC, Seattle, LA and Toronto is hardly a feat either.
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Postby citti34 » Sun May 01, 2005 2:46 pm

probably better than the cubbies to.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Sun May 01, 2005 2:56 pm

citti34 wrote:probably better than the cubbies to.

You were obviously trying to insult me, but I know our offense for the most part sucks, especially with the crummy OF and the MI out for a long time. Derek Lee is sure tearing it up though. Though with the insult, grow up. :-t
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Postby citti34 » Sun May 01, 2005 3:03 pm

CubsFan7724 wrote:
citti34 wrote:probably better than the cubbies to.

You were obviously trying to insult me, but I know our offense for the most part sucks, especially with the crummy OF and the MI out for a long time. Derek Lee is sure tearing it up though. Though with the insult, grow up. :-t


No insult, I was just messing with ya.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Sun May 01, 2005 3:12 pm

citti34 wrote:
CubsFan7724 wrote:
citti34 wrote:probably better than the cubbies to.

You were obviously trying to insult me, but I know our offense for the most part sucks, especially with the crummy OF and the MI out for a long time. Derek Lee is sure tearing it up though. Though with the insult, grow up. :-t


No insult, I was just messing with ya.

Ah, ok. Thanks.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun May 01, 2005 3:18 pm

CubsFan7724 wrote:Crosby and his mediocre OPS? Yeah I don't think those 3 you mentioned will finish behind .700. I think if they hit like they should, they will be an average offense. I don't see them beating Baltimore. There is too many good hitters there. Easily topping TB, KC, Seattle, LA and Toronto is hardly a feat either.


Since when is .744 "mediocre" for a SS? Crosby ranked TENTH among all starting SS in OPS, which is much better than "mediocre". And he did that as a 23 year old, so normal age improvement should put him above that this year, if healthy,

Baltimore does have good hitters at C, SS, and 3B. But beyond that? Roberts and Sosa are likely to be average for their positions, Matos, Gibbons, Bigbie, and Palmiero are more than likely going to be below average. The O's should finish somewhere between 5 and 9 in offense. They aren't going to keep up the current pace.
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Postby Madison » Sun May 01, 2005 6:15 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:Despite what Madison thinks, the A's are better than about half the offenses in the league.


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I don't see that happening. Sorry, but the bats just are not there to finish in the top half of offenses. I don't even mean it as a shot at A's fans. I just see nothing scary about their offense in the least and even when Crosby gets back, it's still not a top half offense to me.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun May 01, 2005 7:14 pm

I don't see anything scary either. Just a bunch of average to slightly above average hitters, compared to league norms. Just look around:
C: Above average
1B: Average to slightly below
2b: Average
3B: Above average
SS: (with Crosby back) average to slightly above average
DH: Average to above average
CF: Average to above average
LF: Slightly below average to above average
RF: slightly below average

They basically are a totally non-scary team. But they also have no real black holes on offense (assuming guys perform near normal levels). And if you have 3-4 guys above average, and the rest average or only a tad below, then you get an average to slightly above average offense. If I had to pick a number, I'd guess the A's finish 6th in offense, and would be pretty sure they'd be between 4th and 8th in the league.
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