Why is Mike Gonzalez not closing somewhere?? - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2014 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Why is Mike Gonzalez not closing somewhere??

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

Postby Yoda » Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:15 pm

bolkonsky, please enlighten us. What were Ryan, Wagner and Guardado before they became closers?
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ~George Carlin
Yoda
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Fantasy ExpertMock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 21344
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: 15th green...

Postby matmat » Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:19 pm

Yoda wrote:bolkonsky, please enlighten us. What were Ryan, Wagner and Guardado before they became closers?


why, they were little green puppets, of course :)

'sup yoda.
Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll drown because you forgot to teach him to swim.
[url=http://www.indra.com/8ball/front.html]Invaluable Fantasy Baseball Resource[/url]
matmat
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar

Posts: 4120
Joined: 12 Sep 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: North cross down

Postby Transmogrifier » Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:24 pm

bolkonsky wrote:Second, the list you have presented is not very impressive...especially when compared with the list of closers who are righties.


Isn't this a little unfair? Perhaps it's because only about 10 percent of the population is lefthanded?

Being lefty doesn't preclude you from being a closer simply because there are not many good lefty closers--if you buy that contention.

How about some research? Lefties are more likley to be alcoholics and schizophrenics--maybe that is why they aren't good closers. :-?

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=498707&page=1

:-b
I'm back. Sorta.

Do not boo Johnny.
Transmogrifier
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Fantasy ExpertCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeSweet 16 Survivor
Posts: 7181
Joined: 17 Apr 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: No taxation without Representation!

Postby Yoda » Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:32 pm

Transmogrifier wrote:
bolkonsky wrote:Second, the list you have presented is not very impressive...especially when compared with the list of closers who are righties.


Isn't this a little unfair? Perhaps it's because only about 10 percent of the population is lefthanded?

Being lefty doesn't preclude you from being a closer simply because there are not many good lefty closers--if you buy that contention.

How about some research? Lefties are more likley to be alcoholics and schizophrenics--maybe that is why they aren't good closers. :-?

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=498707&page=1

:-b


lmao :-D
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ~George Carlin
Yoda
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Fantasy ExpertMock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 21344
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: 15th green...

Postby davidmarver » Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:20 pm

Transmogrifier wrote:
bolkonsky wrote:Second, the list you have presented is not very impressive...especially when compared with the list of closers who are righties.


Isn't this a little unfair? Perhaps it's because only about 10 percent of the population is lefthanded?

Being lefty doesn't preclude you from being a closer simply because there are not many good lefty closers--if you buy that contention.

How about some research? Lefties are more likley to be alcoholics and schizophrenics--maybe that is why they aren't good closers. :-?

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=498707&page=1

:-b


haha
Image
davidmarver
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Cafe WriterMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyePick 3 ChampionLucky Ladders Weekly WinnerTrivia Time Trial Monthly Winner
Posts: 6154
Joined: 11 Jan 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: 5.5 Hole

Postby bobby » Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:25 pm

His 4.70 ERA right now isn't helping.
bobby
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor

User avatar

Posts: 588
Joined: 22 Sep 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby looptid » Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:00 pm

On top of what's been said, a good reliever is better than a situational match-up.

The Angles have had the best bullpen ERA in baseball in each of the past three seasons, and don't bother much with lefties. K-Rod is a perfect example. Lefties have hit him 63 points higher in his career, but if they're still only batting .202, who really cares? The Angles pen has been great this season as well. They've allowed four earned runs in their last 39.2 innings and have stranded 22-of-23 runners this season. They've got only one lefty in their pen, a rookie that has thrown a whopping 8.1 innings.

The overrating of the lefthanded specialist allows guys like Jesse Orosco and Aaron Flutz to stay in major league uniforms for seaons longer than they should.

I honestly can't see the Pirates trading Gonzalez though, as its already been said, he's very, very good, and very, very cheap right now.
looptid
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor

User avatar

Posts: 668
Joined: 11 Nov 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: St. Paul, MN

Postby looptid » Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:01 pm

bobby wrote:His 4.70 ERA right now isn't helping.


He's a reliever and it's still April. He's thrown 7.2 innings. This comment is infuriating.
looptid
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor

User avatar

Posts: 668
Joined: 11 Nov 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: St. Paul, MN

Postby SouthBronxBombers » Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:03 am

You know, Yoda, if you are going to copy my post and reply to it, then at least reply to it, not a made up quote that I never said.
SouthBronxBombers
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor


Posts: 892
Joined: 8 Mar 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:56 pm

Transmogrifier wrote:
bolkonsky wrote:Second, the list you have presented is not very impressive...especially when compared with the list of closers who are righties.


Isn't this a little unfair? Perhaps it's because only about 10 percent of the population is lefthanded?

Being lefty doesn't preclude you from being a closer simply because there are not many good lefty closers--if you buy that contention.

How about some research? Lefties are more likley to be alcoholics and schizophrenics--maybe that is why they aren't good closers. :-?

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=498707&page=1

:-b


About 10 percent of the population is lefty.
About 30% of MLB pitchers are lefty.
About 20% of the all-time save leader list is lefty.

I think the bias against lefty closers is more based in tradition than fact.
GotowarMissAgnes
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Fantasy Expert
Posts: 5516
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Happy Valley

PreviousNext

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: unioreimi and 11 guests

Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact