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Postby jbird669 » Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:56 pm

1) In my 13 years, I have only vetoed 3 trades, all were collusion of bad teams dumping players to good teams.

2) My league is ultra competitive, no one would make this trade.

3) Why isn't the commissioner vetoing trades? He should be the only one vetoing anything unless his team is involved.

This is a clear cut case, TheRawDAWG, but, I've seen leagues veto trades of major leaguers having a career year (let's use Bret Boone in 2001) for an up and coming prospect (let's use Justin Morneau from last year). If a losing team has Boone and trades him for Morneau, that isn't a bad trade in a keeper league, yet I've seen it vetoed for what some owners think is "killing the integrity of the league." That is NOT BS. Those vetoing it aren't baseball savvy enough to compete, and astute owners making the deal have to suffer as a result. That is a big reason I hate Yahoo! and similar leagues, along with no salary caps.
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Postby great gretzky » Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:08 pm

arod for lowe is collusion, even if the arod player thinks it is helping.

This almost coins a new term "collusion by means of ignorance"

If the arod owner is that dumb, and I mean DUMB then the practical effect is such that any owner can treat his roster as if it was the waiver wire. Offer your crappy player --> get player you want.


I HATE vetoes and think to some degree "anything goes"

I'd veto that. It is indefensible any way you slice it. You may THINK lowe will be a stud, but the FACTS show otherwise.

There is not a league around that would allow it.
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Postby jbird669 » Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:13 pm

fair enough, great gretzky, but what about the situation above that I described? I've seen that vetoed in leagues and it is upsetting.
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Postby TheRawDAWG » Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:38 pm

jbird669 wrote:fair enough, great gretzky, but what about the situation above that I described? I've seen that vetoed in leagues and it is upsetting.


No, I totally agree with you in a situation like that for sure. I don't like to veto trades.

There was actually a situation in my Football league this year that helped change the rules as a commish only veto process.

Team A was not going to make the playoffs. Team B was going to make the playoffs but definately needed a QB for his team to compete within them. We have a 4 man rookie roster in our league and 3 players are kept from year to year outside of this rookie roster. Team A wanted to trade Bulger (a guy he couldn't keep unless at the expense of Vick and he's enamored with Vick) and in return he wanted Manning (Eli that is ;-7 ). In my mind that is the perfect trade, helps both teams with what they want to do.

The trade got the 4 votes needed and it cause some people to be a little upset. Basically the playoff teams didn't want him to get a QB without hurting his team at all for this year. I think thats BS. And thats one of the reasons the veto process has now been changed. The league is only 2 years old and played with a bunch of friends so we are trying to work out all the kinks and get the league up to a very high level. And the owners are definately there but the way some think it hurts the league.

But, if the trade was something like Bulger for Jeff Smoker then I would say the trade would have to be vetoed. Cause Team B really would have been giving up nothing for Bulger.
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Re: Worst straight-up trade EVER

Postby Madison » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:36 pm

I wouldn't veto this deal because I don't think it's all that bad. Sure, I'd rather have Furcal, but Patterson could very well be a solid pitcher this year. I don't see anything here to veto and it's not anywhere close to the worst straight up trade I've ever seen.
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Postby superfly » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:53 pm

Veto it immediately, this is horrible for the guy who gets Furcal. Totally ripped off, John Patterson is a lock for NL Cy Young.
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Postby wavetide007 » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:55 pm

superfly wrote:Veto it immediately, this is horrible for the guy who gets Furcal. Totally ripped off, John Patterson is a lock for NL Cy Young.


John Patterson is a lock for NL Cy Young???

hahahah good one, high five
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Postby Raf » Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:00 am

I agree, John Patterson is quite possibly the second coming of Nolan Ryan....
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Postby TheRawDAWG » Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:05 am

superfly wrote:Veto it immediately, this is horrible for the guy who gets Furcal. Totally ripped off, John Patterson is a lock for NL Cy Young.


thats a joke. people are trying to help this guy. Why come on here and be a dick about it?
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Re: Worst straight-up trade EVER

Postby davidmarver » Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:23 am

ocmusicjunkie wrote:So I open my team page this morning, only to find a Furcal for John Patterson trade pending.

I'm totally baffled.

Why do teams trade fifth round picks for guys who were on the WW two weeks ago? I mean, Patterson might workout to be a B- pitcher this year... but by trading him for a fifth rounder, you're basically saying he's as good as a Peavy/Isringhausen/Mulder type. :-t


Trade is lopsided, but not the worst one ever.

On a side note, try not to compare Jake Peavy and Mark Mulder. They aren't even close fantasy wise.
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