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Postby saxeT1979 » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:34 pm

Willis' inconsistency is not a valid argument. He's played one complete season. Is that really a large enough sample size to predict he will be inconsistent for the rest of his career? I for one do not think so. Take that with what I said about Willis having more experience, playing half of his games in a pitchers park and playing on a solid(winning) team. Plus without the high injury risk of Patterson...its really not even close.
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Postby BigMusky » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:36 pm

The other thing to look at is team needs. Does he have excess SB and SS right now? THen maybe Furcal is not worth much to him but really likes Patterson....this is not the best value trade obviously, but sometimes crazy things like this turn out.
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Postby slomo007 » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:37 pm

saxeT1979 wrote:Willis' inconsistency is not a valid argument. He's played one complete season. Is that really a large enough sample size to predict he will be inconsistent for the rest of his career? I for one do not think so. Take that with what I said about Willis having more experience, playing half of his games in a pitchers park and playing on a solid(winning) team. Plus without the high injury risk of Patterson...its really not even close.


Willis has pitched almost 400 innings now, that's pretty much 2 complete seasons. I like Willis too...I'm not saying I don't....I am just saying that Patterson has even more upside if he can just stay healthy. Patterson should have more Ks and a lower WHIP. Plus, Washington seems much improved this year, therefore W's shouldn't be too far off. And Washington's stadium isn't exactly hitter friendly either.

All I'm saying is that the trade shouldn't be vetoed because of how you view a player...it's uneven to some people, and he definitely could have gotten more if he would have tried....but it shouldn't be vetoed necessarily.
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Postby saxeT1979 » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:40 pm

I dont follow you. How do you veto a trade without basing it on you feel about players involved in the trade?
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Postby slomo007 » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:43 pm

saxeT1979 wrote:I dont follow you. How do you veto a trade without basing it on you feel about players involved in the trade?


I would veto if it's obvious it's collusion, or if it's just absolutely ridiculously lopsided...ie Pujols for Jacque Jones.

I will definitely post how I feel about the trade and who is getting the better end of the deal, but that's why playing in leagues where everyone knows what they're doing is a must. Rookies can really screw up a league if they don't know what they're doing. I guess I will say I have vetoed to protect rookies before even when it's not collusion.
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Postby jbird669 » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:44 pm

I am a league commish, have been for 13 years. Why would you veto this? Why would you veto any trade that has no evidence of collusion? If one owner doesn't have a lot of baseball sense and offers this trade, then he learns the hard way. This is another reason I hate Yahoo leagues.
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Postby bselig » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:44 pm

saxeT1979 wrote:I dont follow you. How do you veto a trade without basing it on you feel about players involved in the trade?


Good point. This trade shouldn't be vetoed, though. Stellar starters are rare and if someone believes Patterson can get it done for an entire season he should have the right to trade for him. Furcal is a guy with a .280 career average, not much pop, and plays in a shitty offense. Just because someone was dumb enough to blow a fifth round pick on him doesn't mean that person should be prevented from trading him for a pitcher that might turn out to be better
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Postby saxeT1979 » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:50 pm

I feel Furcal for Patterson is obviously lop-sided so I would veto that crapola!

I think if Patterson wasn't on your team you wouldn't value Patterson nearly as high as you do. It sounds to me that your opinion is somewhat influenced by the typical overvaluing your own players disease.
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Postby saxeT1979 » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:55 pm

115 R, 15 HR, 60 RBI, 27 SB, .280 AVG @ Shortstop

I really don't think that is blowing a 5th round pick!
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Postby The Jury » Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:01 pm

Nah man I see zero problem with that trade. Sometimes you have to take a chance. I'm not sure which side y'all think is thiefing...
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