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Postby ocmusicjunkie » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:06 pm

So I open my team page this morning, only to find a Furcal for John Patterson trade pending.

I'm totally baffled.

Why do teams trade fifth round picks for guys who were on the WW two weeks ago? I mean, Patterson might workout to be a B- pitcher this year... but by trading him for a fifth rounder, you're basically saying he's as good as a Peavy/Isringhausen/Mulder type. :-t
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Postby saxeT1979 » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:15 pm

I would veto that crapola!
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Postby slomo007 » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:16 pm

saxeT1979 wrote:I would veto that crapola!


How is that any different than your trade when you traded Willis for Furcal?

To be honest, Patterson has even more upside than Dontrelle.

I wouldn't veto. But it's not a good trade either because he could have gotten more.
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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:16 pm

Man that is pretty bad! I hope it doesnt get passed
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Postby ocmusicjunkie » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:20 pm

I wanted to, but I couldn't.

Last year, vetos were done by league vote. As a result, 1 trade got through and about 25 were vetoed. This year, I set it as a commish veto system. This lead to lots of arguments before the season even started.

The final result was this: I'll pass any trade, so long as there is no collusion, fire sale, or 1st round pick involved. If there is a 1st round pick and the trade is lopsided, I'll talk with both managers to decide if it's veto worthy.

I'm a strong disbeliever in vetoing even horrible trades, so long as both teams are trying to improve. Why? What happens if I veto this and Patterson wins 17+ with a 2.95 ERA? I'd feel like an ass, and would have cheated the team with the guts to trade Furcal for him now. First rounders are the only exception, because letting some team get Pujols + Beltran + Arod from suckers would harm the competitive balance too much.
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Peavy - 2.89 ERA, 10.10 K/9

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Postby jjigglers » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:24 pm

slomo007 wrote:
saxeT1979 wrote:I would veto that crapola!


How is that any different than your trade when you traded Willis for Furcal?

To be honest, Patterson has even more upside than Dontrelle.

I wouldn't veto. But it's not a good trade either because he could have gotten more.


You didnt respond to this, which is a very valid point.
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Postby saxeT1979 » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:24 pm

Patterson is not equal to Dontrelle Willis...sorry slomo! Willis is much better in my mind. Willis has more experience, plays half of his games in a pitchers park and plays on a solid team.

I traded Willis for Furcal and have no regrets. If it was someone else's trade, I would have thought about vetoing Furcal for Willis. Patterson for Furcal is plain foolish. Furcal is much more valuable.
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Postby slomo007 » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:26 pm

saxeT1979 wrote:Patterson is not equal to Dontrelle Willis...sorry slomo! Willis is much better in my mind. Willis has more experience, plays half of his games in a pitchers park and plays on a solid team.

I traded Willis for Furcal and have no regrets. If it was someone else's trade, I would have thought about vetoing Furcal for Willis. Patterson for Furcal is plain foolish. Furcal is much more valuable.


In your mind he's better, but in my mind they're about even. Dontrelle hasn't shown he can stay consistent...Patterson hasn't shown he can stay healthy, and both are off to tremendous starts. How are they any different? Remember Patterson was a class A prospect but hasn't been able to stay healthy, it's not like he came out of nowhere.
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Postby stumpak » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:30 pm

This definitely should not be vetoed. I am betting that if you saw these guys' rosters it would make some more sense.
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Postby Dmville » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:34 pm

slomo007 wrote:
In your mind he's better, but in my mind they're about even.


Exactly. Aren't people supposed to have different opinions about players? Also, trades don't always have to be compared by straight up value. Roster predicaments play a part in them too.

To me, an owner not getting enough back is not a reason to veto. Collusion should be the only reason.
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