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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:50 am

What kind of stuff are you looking for? Anything in particular, or just general info? I'm sure there is a bunch of stuff out there about the Congressional hearings, and places like ESPN may still have some stuff up if you looking for "credible" :-b sources.
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:07 am

I wouldn't read Jose's book if you had a gun to my head. I'm sure it's just a bunch of drivel and cheap shots and would be of absolutely no help to anything like this.

I'm not sure where you could find much info on that stuff, since there really is no consensus as to when the "epidemic" started. But then again, what do I know. :-D

A quick Google I came up with these:
Quick timeline -- Nothing about steroids, but illustrates that there were suspicsions for years.
General steroids info

Not much, but hopefully it's a start.
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Postby davidmarver » Mon May 16, 2005 3:17 am

Few things I'd do differently.

1. I'd stress the financial aspect of taking steroids. How the cause of taking steroids isn't necessarily for personal satisfaction of success at the major leagues, but for money. You can turn this into a sort of treatise about human's priorities; personal wealth over integrity.

2. I'd discuss the long-term effects of steroid use. You can discuss how McGwire could have possibly played longer had he not used steroids. You can discuss Giambi's crash since his 'admittance'. Caminiti may be a stingy subject, since his recent death, so I wouldn't speculate about how it affected him in the long-term.

3. Parallels number 2. Although Congress has stepped in, which undoubtedly has led to most of the increase in steroid penalties in MLB, you could potentially argue that the downfalls of some of the leagues admitted steroid users has some sort of power in convincing Selig to endorse a new policy (like in good will).

4. If this isn't supposed to be a completely observational speech, I would outline both sides of a baseball fans' opinion on steroids. Discuss its deterence to the casual fan and how former baseball players, who were not on the juice, feel about it.

Overall, I think you just need to elaborate more on your topic and analyze what you have already outlined.

And, for the record, the sentence should read "Steroids may help the athlete hit the ball further", not 'farther'. Sorry, I'm some sort of perfectionist. ;-D

EDIT : I just re-read your post and I'm unsure about whether or not farther can be used in this instance. It certainly is more pleasing to hear 'further', at least in my opinion.
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Postby Arlo » Mon May 16, 2005 9:12 am

davidmarver wrote:And, for the record, the sentence should read "Steroids may help the athlete hit the ball further", not 'farther'. Sorry, I'm some sort of perfectionist. ;-D

EDIT : I just re-read your post and I'm unsure about whether or not farther can be used in this instance. It certainly is more pleasing to hear 'further', at least in my opinion.

Farther is fine. :-)

(Actually, twenty years down the road, farther may be the only correct word there. 8-o )
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Postby Mookie4ever » Mon May 16, 2005 9:42 am

I thought that farther was used for physical distance. As in he went far but the other guy went farther.

And further was for non physical things. As in, can this thread get any further into grammatical mumbojumbo.
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Postby davidmarver » Mon May 16, 2005 3:44 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:I thought that farther was used for physical distance. As in he went far but the other guy went farther.

And further was for non physical things. As in, can this thread get any further into grammatical mumbojumbo.


Haha, well after close review, both words have the same definition on dictionary.com.

There goes that.
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