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Postby Rohan » Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:30 pm

I'm in a large league. Both pitched well today. It appears Loaiza is on a better team.
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Postby Steve Eckstut » Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:49 pm

if you need to pick up one, you gotta go with loazia. the team is better and he's better.
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:36 pm

Loaiza. Neither is great, but Loaiza has more potential. Wells walks too many. In his good seasons, he wasn't that good at the pitcher-controlled skills, whereas Loaiza was. A few experts also believe that 2004 was more of a fluke for Loaiza than 2003, and that he could return to being a good ptcher since he still has good stuff and is in the NL which should help a lot. But as it stands now, I wouldn't have either one of these guys on my team.
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Postby The Punisher » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:40 pm

Both are bottom of the barrel WW material pitchers but id have to give it to Loaiza, but dont get me wrong, he isnt anything special either.
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Postby George_Foreman » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:45 pm

go with the kipper. ;-D

loaiza is just... meh. wells at least has some potential. ;-D
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Postby Yoda » Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:49 am

LBJackal wrote:Loaiza. Neither is great, but Loaiza has more potential. Wells walks too many. In his good seasons, he wasn't that good at the pitcher-controlled skills, whereas Loaiza was. A few experts also believe that 2004 was more of a fluke for Loaiza than 2003, and that he could return to being a good ptcher since he still has good stuff and is in the NL which should help a lot. But as it stands now, I wouldn't have either one of these guys on my team.


Actually, if you look at Loaiza's career numbers, 2003 was most likely a fluke year:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlbpa/players/5368/career

I wouldn't bet on him outproducing Wells.
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Postby baseballnewb » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:35 am

Wells is 100% useless, no reason in the world to take him even in a 16 team league. Loaiza is probably useless too but at least he has a small window of usefullness that can lead you to believe he doesn't completely suck.
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Postby AKhomebrewer » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:15 am

I've actually got Loiaza in a 16-team league and have been playing him based on matchups (I sat him vs. Philly :,-().
Anyway, I think you're going to see occasional flashes like this one, where that cutter's biting and he looks superb, but a handful of 7.50 ERA/2.00 WHIP stinkers as well.
Still, I'm not interested in Wells at all, despite his nice showing against Houston's anemic lineup.
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Postby Iconoclastic » Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:38 am

I like Kip Wells much better than Loaiza. You're talking about a guy who was drafted in the 1st round, is only 28 years old which is the peak age for pitchers, had two consecutive seasons of 3.58 and 3.28 ERA with K/BB ratios of over 2 and batting average against of mid .200s, and then got injured, and has pitched better in his last 2 starts than the 2 starts before that. Looks like a good back of the rotation guy to me.
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Postby LBJackal » Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:08 am

Yoda wrote:
LBJackal wrote:Loaiza. Neither is great, but Loaiza has more potential. Wells walks too many. In his good seasons, he wasn't that good at the pitcher-controlled skills, whereas Loaiza was. A few experts also believe that 2004 was more of a fluke for Loaiza than 2003, and that he could return to being a good ptcher since he still has good stuff and is in the NL which should help a lot. But as it stands now, I wouldn't have either one of these guys on my team.


Actually, if you look at Loaiza's career numbers, 2003 was most likely a fluke year:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlbpa/players/5368/career

I wouldn't bet on him outproducing Wells.


Actually I'm sure we're all well aware of his career. I'm saying 2003 was less of a fluke than 2004. He should be closer to his 2003 numbers than his 2004 numbers, and I'm sure the consensus here won't believe that because of the stigma with Loaiza but that's fine. You just go ahead and follow the crowd, I'm sure you'll fit in just fine.
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