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Affeldt or Borowski?

affeldt
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borowski
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Injured Closers - Affeldt or Borowski?

Postby ravenmad22 » Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:59 am

Which one will have more value this season?
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Postby slomo007 » Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:03 am

I think Borowski will be pretty good when he comes back from injury. He was pitching very well in ST and had most of his velocity back, and his new injury isn't related to the shoulder injury suffered last year so hopefully he recovers completely. I think he'll be pretty effective and get the job done for the Cubs.

Affeldt is just not that good of a closer, and has a terrible injury track record that is pretty frightening. Plus, he plays on a very poor team that will generate only a few save opps per month.
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Postby AtlDynasty25 » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:16 am

slomo007 wrote:I think Borowski will be pretty good when he comes back from injury. He was pitching very well in ST and had most of his velocity back, and his new injury isn't related to the shoulder injury suffered last year so hopefully he recovers completely. I think he'll be pretty effective and get the job done for the Cubs.

Affeldt is just not that good of a closer, and has a terrible injury track record that is pretty frightening. Plus, he plays on a very poor team that will generate only a few save opps per month.


Could not have said it better.
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Postby SaintsOfTheDiamond » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:34 am

I agree with slomo. I wouldn't particularly want to have to choose between the two, but Borowski seems like a better option at this point.
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Postby GiantFan666 » Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:13 am

hate to sound like a broken record here, but got to go w/ Boro as well
he did look decent in ST this year... but the Royals thus far haven't even been sniffing at sv opps so far... I know it will even out over the length of a season but so far they aren't even getting it to the closer to even have a chance at blowing it most days
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Postby Iconoclastic » Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:35 am

Strange that the poll is split evenly between the two...yet the posts have been nothing but in favor of Boro.

This is a pretty close one. Affeldt has a stronger grip on the closer's role and his injury is not severe. He also has a higher ceiling in talent. On the other hand Boro should get more save chances if he's the closer.

Affeldt has not put up great numbers in the past, while Dusty Baker does weird things and may keep Hawkins in the closer role and keep Boro's value at a minimum.

It's so close that I'm just going to pick Affeldt as of this moment, but be very open to changing my mind anytime in the future. I have both of them on my teams but I just don't like Boro cuz he was probably on roids. Just my three cents.
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Postby RawTalent » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:37 am

I pick Affeldt over Borowski, only because I think that NEITHER will regain their jobs when they get back. Borowski reminds me too much of Rocker.

If Hawkins can get on some sort of a roll (and given that it's early in the season, he won't have the sorts of pressure put on him last year when he was closing at the end of the year), I don't think it's unreasonable to think that he could develop a "closer's mentality." I mean, the guy is a far superior pitcher to Borowski. And superior pitchers can learn to build a closer's mentality.

I for one think that "closer mentality," while important, is way over-emphasized. And while I don't know if Dusty Baker agrees with me, many of his comments suggest that he thinks Hawkins could thrive in a closer's role.
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Postby Madison » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:39 am

I've got Borowski stashed on the DL of multiple teams waiting for his return. I vote for JoBo. ;-D
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Postby ravenmad22 » Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:30 pm

RawTalent wrote:I pick Affeldt over Borowski, only because I think that NEITHER will regain their jobs when they get back. Borowski reminds me too much of Rocker.

If Hawkins can get on some sort of a roll (and given that it's early in the season, he won't have the sorts of pressure put on him last year when he was closing at the end of the year), I don't think it's unreasonable to think that he could develop a "closer's mentality." I mean, the guy is a far superior pitcher to Borowski. And superior pitchers can learn to build a closer's mentality.

I for one think that "closer mentality," while important, is way over-emphasized. And while I don't know if Dusty Baker agrees with me, many of his comments suggest that he thinks Hawkins could thrive in a closer's role.


So why won't Affeldt get the closer job back? MacDougal sucks.
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Postby BigMusky » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:38 pm

The arguement that the good teams generate more save opps then bad teams is not really true. So dont make a decision on that. Hawkins basically kept the Cubs out of the playoffs last year, so I would suspect Hawk would go back the lethal setup man he once was, but may come back if JoBo blows. I am not sold on Borrowski as a closer. The guy was nothing before 2003 and was nothing after. So to think he will step in and be a savior is kind of a stretch. Cubs really have a bad closer situation and we might see the two swapping places back and forth, or another guy emerge like Jobo did in 03. I dont know anything about the Royals situation, but it does not sound any better. I do know that McDougals sucks, so as long as Affedelt is healthy I think he will hold that spot making him more valuable.
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