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Postby Dusk2k2 » Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:13 am

Just wondering, could anyone put up a list of possible "breakout" pitchers this year? I mean guys who sort of came out of no where, like Ben Sheets, Oliver Perez, Jake Westbrook, Chris Carpenter. Most of those guys went undrafted, but put up very good, quality numbers. My list right now (my pitching staff is terrible, but I'm hoping some of these pitchers pan out)

Adam Eaton
Brett Myers
Noah Lowry
Chris Capuano
Cliff Lee
Mark Redman
Jose Conteras
Kaz Ishii
Kevin Millwood
Jerome Williams
Nate Robertson
Horacio Ramirez
Denny Bautista
Erik Bedard
Scott Kazmir
Joe Blanton

Anyone else I missed, and any thoughts on which of these pitchers will breakout this year.
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Postby beltrans_boy » Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:30 am

Dusk2k2 wrote:Just wondering, could anyone put up a list of possible "breakout" pitchers this year? I mean guys who sort of came out of no where, like Ben Sheets, Oliver Perez, Jake Westbrook, Chris Carpenter. Most of those guys went undrafted, but put up very good, quality numbers. My list right now (my pitching staff is terrible, but I'm hoping some of these pitchers pan out)

Adam Eaton
Brett Myers
Noah Lowry
Chris Capuano
Cliff Lee
Mark Redman
Jose Conteras
Kaz Ishii

Kevin Millwood
Jerome Williams
Nate Robertson
Horacio Ramirez
Denny Bautista
Erik Bedard
Scott Kazmir
Joe Blanton

Anyone else I missed, and any thoughts on which of these pitchers will breakout this year.


I thought your post had some legitimacy to it until I read these 2 names...

I mean, if you're gonna have Ishii on there, why not put Ankeil!
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Re: Breakout pitchers

Postby Trojan Pony » Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:30 am

Dusk2k2 wrote:Jose Conteras

lol
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Postby GSes » Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:31 am

bro Kaz Ishii?

dude had a 1.60 whip the second he was concevied into the womb.
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Postby CPHFighter1 » Sun Apr 17, 2005 4:48 am

Ishii: the stuff has always been there, it's just controlling where it is going that has been the problem. Hence the 1.60 WHIP "since he was conceived in the womb" hah
Contreras: the stuff has always been there (including a sick forkball) but the guy hasn't quite figured out life in the US yet or something.

The list is good. For this year, I especially like Lowry, Eaton, Millwood. Don't count out Cliff Lee just yet either.

Still a year away from 'breakout' : Kazmir, Blanton, Bautista.

Additions: Doug Davis, Leiber (20 game winner), Bonderman, Pedro Astacio, Aaron Heilman, Danny Haren, Aaron Harang.
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Postby nuggets » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:04 am

CPHFighter1 wrote:Ishii: the stuff has always been there, it's just controlling where it is going that has been the problem. Hence the 1.60 WHIP "since he was conceived in the womb" hah
Contreras: the stuff has always been there (including a sick forkball) but the guy hasn't quite figured out life in the US yet or something.


I think Ishii just walks hitters that he doesn't want to pitch to in many cases. Ishii is 29-12 with a 3.50 ERA before the All-Star break and 7-13 with a 5.77 ERA post All-Star.

Contreras is 33 and doesn't have much MLB experience. It's not likely that he'll be a #1 or #2 fantasy SP. I think this espn report carries some weight:

"Pitching:
Contreras' split-finger pitch is among the best in the majors, but hitters have begun to sit on it. The White Sox want Contreras to re-establish his fastball, which he can throw in the 94-95 MPH range, but Contreras struggles with spotting the pitch. As a result he often beats himself with walks and gives up long homers on fastballs right over the middle. He averaged 17.6 pitches per innings last year, meaning the bullpen was often on call.

2005 Outlook
Contreras is a huge X-factor for the White Sox. He has No. 1 starter stuff if they can harness it, but he won't even be adequate in the No. 3 or 4 spot if he doesn't improve from last season. He should be more comfortable than he's ever been, in large part because his wife and children joined him in the United States last year. He could still make the Yankees regret giving up on him so soon."

I don't think either of them make good breakout canidates but I'd take Contreras or Myers over Ishii.
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Postby brandnew » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:50 am

Blanton has pitched pretty well thus far, I think he can break out and have a very nice year.
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Postby davidmarver » Sun Apr 17, 2005 6:21 am

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;-) Just kidding.

I think John Patterson could break out.
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Postby ocmusicjunkie » Sun Apr 17, 2005 6:43 am

Kazmir is the obvious choice. He could end up winning the Cy in the next five years (er.... given he's moved from Tampa).

Blanton has a bright future, but isn't as flashy as Kaz. His K total is going to be far lower. Ground ball pitchers aren't sexy.

Cliff Lee could be great... but he needs to work on his control. He was ripping batters apart before the break last year, but then seemed to let his poor control get even worse. If he stops walking guys... watch out.
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Postby Dusk2k2 » Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:08 pm

I had to put Kaz Ishii on there. The move to the Mets could really help them, as the mets have one of the best pitching coaches in the game, and maybe they'll be able to get his control together. Who knows?
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