CPHFighter1 wrote:Ishii: the stuff has always been there, it's just controlling where it is going that has been the problem. Hence the 1.60 WHIP "since he was conceived in the womb" hah
Contreras: the stuff has always been there (including a sick forkball) but the guy hasn't quite figured out life in the US yet or something.
I think Ishii just walks hitters that he doesn't want to pitch to in many cases. Ishii is 29-12 with a 3.50 ERA before the All-Star break and 7-13 with a 5.77 ERA post All-Star.
Contreras is 33 and doesn't have much MLB experience. It's not likely that he'll be a #1 or #2 fantasy SP. I think this espn report carries some weight:
Contreras' split-finger pitch is among the best in the majors, but hitters have begun to sit on it. The White Sox want Contreras to re-establish his fastball, which he can throw in the 94-95 MPH range, but Contreras struggles with spotting the pitch. As a result he often beats himself with walks and gives up long homers on fastballs right over the middle. He averaged 17.6 pitches per innings last year, meaning the bullpen was often on call.
Contreras is a huge X-factor for the White Sox. He has No. 1 starter stuff if they can harness it, but he won't even be adequate in the No. 3 or 4 spot if he doesn't improve from last season. He should be more comfortable than he's ever been, in large part because his wife and children joined him in the United States last year. He could still make the Yankees regret giving up on him so soon."
I don't think either of them make good breakout canidates but I'd take Contreras or Myers over Ishii.