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Postby Chiggidy Chester » Tue May 13, 2003 4:22 pm

I know I know enough already. We have already decided whether or not to veto this in our league. I just wanted feedback to see if our judgement was accurate.

Hypothetical:

This guy wants us to put through

Sammy Sosa
Antonio Alfonseca
Carlos Zambrano

for

Gary Sheffield
Derek Jeter
Derek Lowe

What's everyones take on this? How lopsided is this or not?
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Postby YankFan51 » Tue May 13, 2003 4:25 pm

I've seen worse lopsided deals.

If the guy that has Jeter as an able SS already, I could see why this deal happened. Then again, I would get more for Jeter, but what do I know.
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Postby NY1b23 » Tue May 13, 2003 4:28 pm

No close to vetoable.
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Postby Chiggidy Chester » Tue May 13, 2003 4:35 pm

My take on it is that we're dealing with 4 All Stars here and it's a 3 for 1. Alfonseca and Zambrano are throw ins.

I see this trade as

Sosa
for
Sheffield
Jeter
Lowe

Is it wrong to see it that way?
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Postby Transmogrifier » Tue May 13, 2003 4:38 pm

Yeah, I think you're looking at it the wrong way.

If the guy with Jeter has another SS, maybe he's trying to bail on him. If I had Jeter and got something good for him, I would. I highly doubt he'll swing like he used to. And don't you think his steals will suffer, too?

Plus, Lowe is doing horribly. While I think he'll turn it around, maybe he won't. And he doesn't get any strikeouts anyway.

SO, I wouldn't veto.
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Postby YankFan51 » Tue May 13, 2003 4:38 pm

Yeah, especially since this guy is probably a Cubs fan and wants them on his team. Alfonseca should gains the closers spot back, and Zambrano is having a better year than Lowe. Although I wouldn't do this deal, you got to look at the motivation for why the deal happened.
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Postby jdh » Tue May 13, 2003 5:10 pm

Unless its collusion, it is not veto-worthy. I don't think that other owners really have any business doing thorough analysis of trades with regards to vetoing them. Unless you see obvious evidence that one owner is deliberately dumping his team for the benefit of another, you should really butt out of it.
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Postby zoozam » Tue May 13, 2003 5:35 pm

the thing that's forgotten in these deals is - perhaps the sosa owner is very, very reticent to part w/him.

if the jeter team is a strong team and stays strong, he absolutely has the right to overpay to get sosa. in fact, he'll probably have to if he's a top squad.

i'm in that boat. i'm in first place and have surplus outfielders. i may offer a "deal someone can't refuse" to get a smoltz or a gagne. i have the right to do that even though it looks bad on paper.

earlier in the year, i moved jeter, castillo and floyd for soriano. on paper, it looks like to much but that's what the market would bare.
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Postby Chiggidy Chester » Tue May 13, 2003 6:14 pm

Ya but he's trading Sheffield for Sosa
they cancel each other out

Then he's trading Lowe for Zambrano
Lowe is better

Then he's trading Jeter for Alfonseca
Jeter is way way better

What's wrong about that thought process?
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Postby Transmogrifier » Tue May 13, 2003 6:24 pm

There's nothing wrong with that thought process. It's just yours.

I see it differently and apparently so do the people trading. So that's why you use vetos very cautiously.

This is in no way a vetoable trade.
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