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Postby quietstorm » Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:50 pm

I'm trying a new approach to one of my leagues, which undervalues pitchers significantly, and I'm going after workhorses and back-end pitchers on good teams.

As such, I've got guys like Livan Hernandez on my team. Are there any other workhorses out there who would be likely to go undrafted or drafted in the late rounds?

And, what back-end starters do you see pitching full years for teams that will win a lot of games? This is an H2H league, so wildly inconsistent starters aren't a good idea.
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Postby agchris02 » Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:25 pm

I just did a sort of innings pitched for last year, in my 12 team league, surpsingly, there were quite a few who came up in the top 60 that are not on a team:

Jon Garland (217 innings)
Steve Tracshel (202 innings)
Shawn Estses (202 innings)
Ryan Franklin (200 innings)
Jason Johnson (197 innings)
Nate Robertson (197 innings)
Kirk Reuter (191 innings)


From 2003 season -- that did not in 2004

Hideki Nomo (218 innings)

Thatll help you IM sure


But Im curious, whats the point of a 210 inning guy with a 6era that doesnt get K's? Arent you pretty much guarenteeing yourself to lose all major pitching categories?

Unless there is a prize for eating up your inning limit first, i dont understand this "strategy"
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Postby quietstorm » Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:53 pm

It's actually a very unorthodox league, with some funky rules. It's H2H/points without any inning limit. Pitchers have very skewed values. Here's my current staff:

Martinez, Pedro
Clement, Matt
Hernandez, Livan
Bonderman, Jeremy
Greinke, Zack
Eaton, Adam

I'm projected to finish in the middle in total pitching, only 7.5% behind the winner. There's only a 30% difference between the top and bottom of my projected fantasy league starters. As I said, pitchers are significantly undervalued in this league, and, as such, there's a much lower standard deviation on pitching points than batting points. So, workhorses for mediocre teams or back-end pitchers on good teams are generally worth more than replacement-level batters. This draft, I decided to take advantage of it and didn't fill out my pitching staff until the late teen rounds.

Anyway, thanks. It does help.
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Postby mtarail » Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:34 pm

Paul Byrd in Anaheim is a guy that comes to mind. He's undrafted in some 12 team leagues. I think he could have a real nice year and get a lot of wins pitching at the end of the rotation in Anaheim.

John Thomson and Bronson Arroyo (if he can stay in the rotation) are two other guys.
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Postby jpbusta » Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:49 pm

agchris02 wrote:I just did a sort of innings pitched for last year, in my 12 team league, surpsingly, there were quite a few who came up in the top 60 that are not on a team:

Jon Garland (217 innings)
Steve Tracshel (202 innings)
Shawn Estses (202 innings)
Ryan Franklin (200 innings)
Jason Johnson (197 innings)
Nate Robertson (197 innings)
Kirk Reuter (191 innings)


From 2003 season -- that did not in 2004

Hideki Nomo (218 innings)

Thatll help you IM sure


But Im curious, whats the point of a 210 inning guy with a 6era that doesnt get K's? Arent you pretty much guarenteeing yourself to lose all major pitching categories?

Unless there is a prize for eating up your inning limit first, i dont understand this "strategy"


lol, who's hideki nomo? Hideki Matsui mixed with Hideo Nomo? :-D
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Postby afromangettindrunk » Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:06 pm

btw, Pedro Martinez is NOT a workhorse ;-) :-b
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Postby tuff_gong » Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:11 pm

i'd look at john thompson and adam eaton.....
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