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Postby LBJackal » Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:42 pm

KolbSaves wrote:Which do you think are more consistant year to year in ratios and k's, holders or closers?


Definately closers. They're the anchors of the bullpen for a reason. This is what makes good MR's so valuable if you count holds. My argument isn't that MR's should be more valuable than closers based on holds alone (although yes, the holds themselves are more valuable than saves). But the good MR's who post good ratios and K's should be more valuable than closers with the same ratios and K's (assuming the gap between HLD and SV for the two pitchers isn't too big).
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Postby KolbSaves » Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:52 pm

But can you tell who those holders are before the season starts? Probably not. You can for the most part tell who the elite closers are.
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Postby LBJackal » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:01 pm

KolbSaves wrote:But can you tell who those holders are before the season starts? Probably not. You can for the most part tell who the elite closers are.


Otsuka, Gordon, Hawkins, Shields, Linebrink, Calero, etc. The fact that there are less elite MR's makes them more valuable, not less valuable. If you have a couple of the top guys than you have a big advantage over everybody else.
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Postby KolbSaves » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:04 pm

I'm not saying there won't be less elite holders, just that they vary from year to year and out of those pitchers you listed there are bound to be a couple (relative) flops.
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Postby bluefire7 » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:11 pm

any sleeper holder's this year on anyones' minds? ;-7
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Postby KolbSaves » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:28 pm

Calero isn't really highly regarded by the general public, but I think he'll have a fine year and rack up some holds.
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Postby LBJackal » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:33 pm

Yeah I have Calero in a few leagues that count holds. Very under-rated. With Bradford out for a while he's the only setup man they have. I think Cruz will be used more as a long-relief guy to rest the young SP's.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:57 pm

bluefire7 wrote:any sleeper holder's this year on anyones' minds? ;-7


Joey Eischen
Chris Hammond
Stanton keeps seem to be forgotten in the NYY mix
Jamie Walker and Farnsworth
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Julian Tavarez
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Postby TheYanks04 » Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:02 pm

Taverez is harldy a sleeper closer imo. Setup man fo rthe Cards is a pretty obvious source of holds, but that is just me. I am hardly an expert of the matter.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:12 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:Taverez is harldy a sleeper closer imo. Setup man fo rthe Cards is a pretty obvious source of holds, but that is just me. I am hardly an expert of the matter.


So look through this thread. Look through dozens of holds threads. You'll find he almost always gets forgotten. Everybody focuses on King and ignores Tavarez
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