Why is Clemens getting NO respect in pre-season rankings?

[superfly]

Uhhh I think YODA was being a little sarcastic. Does anyone remember how Clemens finished the season? I'll remind you:

Sept '04
6 GS, 4 W, 0 L, 42.0 IP (7IP average), 12 BB, 46 K, 2.57 ERA, 0.93 WHIP, .182 BAA

Does it get any better than that?

Yes, try 5-0 40 IP 52 K's 0.45 ERA 0.68 WHIP.

[LBJackal]

What are you talking about? You want projections? Here:

14 W, 3.80 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 200 K's

I'm sorry I don't follow all the threads where you bicker about something I said. I know you don't agree, and you know you won't agree with my projections, why do you want them so badly?

Yea I sorta specifically asked a few days ago. Wow those are pretty ok numbers for a guy you talked all that crap about being old, downhill and lucky. Mine would be not that far off from yours:


15 W, 205 K, 3.35 ERA, 1.23 WHIP

Like I said I didn't even read the thread so no matter how specific you were I wouldn't have noticed anyway.

And 14 W, 3.80 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 200 K's is not that good relative to where people are drafting him. He's also 42 so health is an issue in both missing games, and performance.

[nuggets]

Uhhh I think YODA was being a little sarcastic. Does anyone remember how Clemens finished the season? I'll remind you:

Sept '04
6 GS, 4 W, 0 L, 42.0 IP (7IP average), 12 BB, 46 K, 2.57 ERA, 0.93 WHIP, .182 BAA

Does it get any better than that?

Yes, try 5-0 40 IP 52 K's 0.45 ERA 0.68 WHIP.

Hey why not try 7 W, 63 IP, 77K, 0.00 ERA, 0.00 WHIP? Oh, because we are talking about Clemens late in his career, not Unit or someone who is likely to get better stats. It was a relative statement.

[CubsFan7724]

What's even funnier is that people who are so down on Clemens are the ones taking RJ in the first round.

Because RJ was the rightful Cy Young. He had better numbers in everything except wins. Which is team dependent and a horrible way to hand out Cy Youngs.

But are Cy Young totals a stat in FBB?

The stats that are taken into consideration for the Cy Young are usually counted in Fantasy Baseball...

[nuggets]

What's even funnier is that people who are so down on Clemens are the ones taking RJ in the first round.

Because RJ was the rightful Cy Young. He had better numbers in everything except wins. Which is team dependent and a horrible way to hand out Cy Youngs.

But are Cy Young totals a stat in FBB?

The stats that are taken into consideration for the Cy Young are usually counted in Fantasy Baseball...

lol,

[nuggets]

I didn't even read the thread

[LBJackal]

I didn't even read the thread

I didn't read your post. Do you honestly not know what I meant, or are you just being an ass?

[demoflauchy]

No one's likely noticed, but Clemens line tonight so far against the Reds:

5IP, 1H, 5K

Not bad for a 42 year old.

[nuggets]

I know you've been waiting for this one LB. Clemens pitched a great game tonight by starting where he left off last year. I'll enjoy watching whether or not he has a strong finish again this year.


I just don't bet against the Rocket.

[LBJackal]

You don't bet against him? I hope you didn't bet too much in 2002 or 2003.

It's a long season my friend. And there are better teams than Cincinatti out there.