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Why is Clemens getting NO respect in pre-season rankings?

Postby jimhorn888 » Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:07 pm

All he did last year was win 18 games with an ERA under 3.00, struck out 218 and won a Cy Young. Yet in most pre-season rankings he is listed somewhere between the 14th and 20th rated starting pitcher. This is well below some other young UNPROVEN pitchers such as J. Peavey and O. Perez. Does everyone think this is the year his age catches up with him or what? I see him as a top 6 pitcher as he has showed no signs of slowing down.
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Postby klvrdude » Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:23 pm

SIGNS OF SLOWING DOWN....

He had a pulled groin in ST. Could it be the start of many DL stints this year? Also it wouldn't surprise me if they did a 'Shaq' with him to reduce his playing time so he'll be healthy assuming they make another playoff run.

Besides the reduced power in the Stro's line-up may cost him a few wins this year.
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Postby nuggets » Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:50 pm

I got Clemens 87th in an "experts'" league. I usually don't draft him but it was so late!
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Postby icepak » Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:06 pm

nuggets wrote:I got Clemens 87th round in an "experts'" league. I usually don't draft him but it was so late!


87th round!
In a 5 team league that would be pick 435, talk about steal!

heh probaly meant 87th pick
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Postby LBJackal » Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:01 pm

He's still way over-rated IMO. Look at his stats before 2004. Not that great. Having the short porch in LF will only hurt him. I'll let somebody else take the risk. It's not even a health risk to me (although that's part of it) it's that his performance in 2002 and 2003 does not come close to warranting his 2005 draft position. Then you factor in the park he's playing in.... I'll stay away.
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Postby nuggets » Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:06 pm

LBJackal wrote:He's still way over-rated IMO. Look at his stats before 2004. Not that great. Having the short porch in LF will only hurt him. I'll let somebody else take the risk. It's not even a health risk to me (although that's part of it) it's that his performance in 2002 and 2003 does not come close to warranting his 2005 draft position. Then you factor in the park he's playing in.... I'll stay away.


Even at 87?
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:06 pm

He definitely benefitted from the move to the NL. I feel they are going to catch up to him a bit, and his ERA is going to go up. And you complain about Peavy and Ollie getting taken ahead of him, last time I checked they had pretty good seasons, almost as good as Clemens. And they aren't 42 either.
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Postby nuggets » Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:08 pm

CubsFan7724 wrote:He definitely benefitted from the move to the NL. I feel they are going to catch up to him a bit, and his ERA is going to go up. And you complain about Peavy and Ollie getting taken ahead of him, last time I checked they had pretty good seasons, almost as good as Clemens. And they aren't 42 either.


Wow I didn't even see that part, of course you take Peavy and Ollie before Clemens
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Postby Yoda » Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:10 pm

Yeah he REALLY slowed down a lot in 04 all the way through the playoffs.
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Postby nuggets » Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:13 pm

Yoda wrote:Yeah he REALLY slowed down a lot in 04 all the way through the playoffs.


good point
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