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Postby Yoda » Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:43 am

Tavish wrote:He gets too much hype here at the Cafe IMO. Relying on him for anything above a #4 starter would scare me.


I agree. Too much pressure on the kid. He's got talent but I think he is still a year away.
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Postby kcs261 » Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:52 am

Bonderman, Bonderman, Bonderman...

He's the talk of the town.

Frankly, I'm getting bored with all the hype. We'll see soon enough whether he pans out.
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Postby HOOTIE » Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:09 am

kcs261 wrote:Bonderman, Bonderman, Bonderman...

He's the talk of the town.

Frankly, I'm getting bored with all the hype. We'll see soon enough whether he pans out.


He's only 22. He should have been in the minors, not getting thrown to the wolves at age 20. He's made quite a bit of progress in 2 years.

As far as ceiling, i think he's at Peavys level. DK is correct, don't expect a sub 3 era just yet. In a keeper, he's a great investment.

YODA, how is there much pressure on him in Detroit? A rebuilding team is a good place had they let him pitch in minors longer.

TAVISH, so are you a bit scared of him, or would he be on your fantasy team?

I drafted him in all but one of my keepers.
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:12 am

Bonderman is the talk of the town and won't have an ERA close to 4 this year. It'll be higher than that. A LOT of his owners will be disappointed. I see no reason to own him given the inflated value so many people have for him. Keeper leagues are a different story but I'd still probably trade him because of his perceived value right now.
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Postby thehat » Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:03 am

I'm not big into hype, but I really like Bonderman's chances of breaking out this year. I love the fact the Tigers haven't overtaxed his arm, as he averaged just 90 pitches per start last year. The guy has a legit fastball/slider combo and his command is clearly improving. Most importantly, his ERA has been higher than it should be based on some of his other numbers, and I expect that to change this year.

He's young enough to still have the occasional blowout, but if you can get Bonderman anywhere from round 9-12 in a 15 team league, you're taking an excellent flier that could become a legit steal. I like his chances of winning 15 this year, with an ERA in the 3.80 range. Add in about 175 K's and you have a nice starter.
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Postby hybrid » Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:07 am

Welcome back thehat, good to see ya.

Like everyone else has said Bonderman has recieved a lot of hype around the fantasy world this year, not sure how ya missed that. That being said he doesn't get much hype here at the cafe and some people (tavish & jackal) don't think he will even have that good of a year. Which, is one of the reasons he is in my sig. this year.

Also even though jackal says his value is inflated, it somewhat is but I pointed out in another thread that his average draft position is nt bad at all for the hype he recieves (pick #189).
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Postby hybrid » Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:47 am

You should really have some type of warning for that :-b

Something to the effect of, "If you are eating or drinking anything, please put them down now."
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Postby AcidRock23 » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:51 am

curious_george_43545 wrote: see the problem is he was a good sleeper pick, but everyone is hyping him to death, and it's to the point now where you have to take him at a round where he may pay off, but it's not really worth the risk any longer.


I dunno about that, I did two drafts, one w/ friends and one w/ a guy who pm'ed me from here and I picked him up after the 10th round in both of them, at a point where I was pretty much freewheeling and just piling up SP/RP while the guys I was drafting with appeared to be filling roster positions and getting backup C and stuff that I didn't even bother doing.

I have him in the 16th round of the online draft I did w/ people I don't know and in the 12th round (I was getting a BIT nervous about SP, having two wet behind the ears guys...Harden and O Perez....) and wanted to make sure I got him. Other picks in the league I got him in the 12th round in were Sexson (off my list, had last year...), Grissom, Millwood (perhaps will do better, likely about the same as B-Man, Podsednik, etc. Other 16th round picks from the other league were Koskie, Colon, Sabathia, Lo Duca, G. Jenkins, etc. Decent pickups but...I suspect we'll see some of them on the WW before too long...and I don't feel that I got ripped off w/ Bonderman and, at that point in the draft, if I have to chuck him if he sucks, it's not really going to break me up too much. If, OTOH, Da Meathook is CORRECT w/ his 'young Clemens' review of B-man, I will be talking some smack...heh heh heh... :-D
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Postby mcqfesijiba » Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:36 am

I thought for a while that Bonderman was getting overrated around here. This thread suddenly makes me think that many are still underrating him. Anyone who's actually watched him pitch as opposed to just studying box scores can see that he's ready to explode as an elite pitcher at any time. The key for him down the stretch last season was improving control, as is common with many young pitchers like him. When his control is on, he's nearly unhittable.

It's tough to predict consistency, but there is no evidence to say that he is "not ready" to pitch at close to a #1 starter level just yet. I'm more worried about that outfield defense behind him than anything else.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:49 am

LBJackal wrote:Bonderman is the talk of the town and won't have an ERA close to 4 this year. It'll be higher than that. A LOT of his owners will be disappointed. I see no reason to own him given the inflated value so many people have for him. Keeper leagues are a different story but I'd still probably trade him because of his perceived value right now.

Any reason you feel this? The stats would show otherwise, he had better control and better numbers overall in the 2nd half. He seems primed to improve greatly on his 04 numbers. Plus he gets a lot of Ks. Anytime you can get a good strikeout pitcher late who can give you good rats, I think hes a pretty nice sleeper. Look at those post allstar numbers, 3.70 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, and .211 BAA. He improved his numbers as the season went on, and I think hes going to do well this year.
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