This is ridiculous, look I’m not condoning steroids, or their use. But they were part of the game throughout the entire decade of the ‘90s and I realize that many Hall worthy players didn’t juice during that decade, but this shouldn’t really be shocking or news to. What I’d like to know are these people doubting McGwire’s ability (they would have some pretty tough hall standards, and he does match up favorably with a number of recent inductees). That and 50 fifty people who don’t think/aren’t sure that Barry’s hall worthy (not that he’s not a pr**k)
He began letting Koby Clemens drive the orange Hummer to school after he signed a letter of intent last November to play baseball for the University of Texas, whose colors are burnt orange and white. Before that, Koby drove a black Hummer to school
And you know if the poll results had been reversed, everyone would be claiming racism and such. Either both are in the hall or neither are. You cant have one in and the other out.
Actually, and I may be in the minority, but I wouldn't think that McGwire is a sure-fire Hall of Famer. He was a one-dimensional player and if Jim Rice can't get in, I can't see how McGwire does. And I was as big a McGwire fan as anyone.
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cmchampa2 wrote:Actually, and I may be in the minority, but I wouldn't think that McGwire is a sure-fire Hall of Famer. He was a one-dimensional player and if Jim Rice can't get in, I can't see how McGwire does. And I was as big a McGwire fan as anyone.
I'd put McGwire in, he may not be a first ballot HOF like Bonds should be but he should still be in IMO. Either way like DK said that survey is a joke
What I don't understand is why there is so much more disapproval for Mac then Bonds. At least Mac wasn't an outright jerk. It has been said by one of the writers that Mac didn't achieve his status without steroids but what about Bonds? He was a very good line drive hitter with speed turned monster 70 hrs a year. What do you call that? In addition, this whole mess pretty much started with Bonds and Balco so why the heck wasn't Bonds asked to testify in front of Congress? Maybe immunity? Maybe a conspiracy by baseball because Bonds is still a draw? What is it? They will probably both make the hall but after all this but I don't really believe they deserve it. Yes the hall is filled with racists, gamblers, addicts and so on but this is blantant cheating in our face. Now I still like Big Mac, and I have never liked Bonds, but with this aside, I think Bonds should crawl away, leave Hank's record alone, and give us remaining baseball fans something real to hold on to. Also. in my mind, there is no *, Roger Maris holds the single season HR record.
Lets be fair (and this is from a Sox fan) rice is a borderline hall of famer. Scary in his prime but he quickly detereorated around the age of 30. McGwire also quickly fell apart but at the age of 35. Those 5 years make all the difference in the world.
...and compared to some others in the hall, neither of them can be worse then Ty Cobb
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Jedimindtric wrote:What I don't understand is why there is so much more disapproval for Mac then Bonds. At least Mac wasn't an outright jerk. It has been said by one of the writers that Mac didn't achieve his status without steroids but what about Bonds? He was a very good line drive hitter with speed turned monster 70 hrs a year. What do you call that? In addition, this whole mess pretty much started with Bonds and Balco so why the heck wasn't Bonds asked to testify in front of Congress? Maybe immunity? Maybe a conspiracy by baseball because Bonds is still a draw? What is it? They will probably both make the hall but after all this but I don't really believe they deserve it. Yes the hall is filled with racists, gamblers, addicts and so on but this is blantant cheating in our face. Now I still like Big Mac, and I have never liked Bonds, but with this aside, I think Bonds should crawl away, leave Hank's record alone, and give us remaining baseball fans something real to hold on to. Also. in my mind, there is no *, Roger Maris holds the single season HR record.
Hate to break it to you, but Maris had an asterik next to is because he hit it in a 162 game season, as compared to Ruth's 150 (?) game season.
by curious_george_43545 » Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:45 pm
CubsFan7724 wrote:
Jedimindtric wrote:What I don't understand is why there is so much more disapproval for Mac then Bonds. At least Mac wasn't an outright jerk. It has been said by one of the writers that Mac didn't achieve his status without steroids but what about Bonds? He was a very good line drive hitter with speed turned monster 70 hrs a year. What do you call that? In addition, this whole mess pretty much started with Bonds and Balco so why the heck wasn't Bonds asked to testify in front of Congress? Maybe immunity? Maybe a conspiracy by baseball because Bonds is still a draw? What is it? They will probably both make the hall but after all this but I don't really believe they deserve it. Yes the hall is filled with racists, gamblers, addicts and so on but this is blantant cheating in our face. Now I still like Big Mac, and I have never liked Bonds, but with this aside, I think Bonds should crawl away, leave Hank's record alone, and give us remaining baseball fans something real to hold on to. Also. in my mind, there is no *, Roger Maris holds the single season HR record.
Hate to break it to you, but Maris had an asterik next to is because he hit it in a 162 game season, as compared to Ruth's 150 (?) game season.
Rice didn't have that magic number of 500 homeruns. That is why he isn't there. I think he was a great player but that is why. I am mad about Dale Murphy not being in the Hall. He had the most hits, runs, and Rbi's in the 1980's and second most homeruns, as well as back to back MVP's on a team with nothing else. (Don't even say Horner) But his bottom line keeps him out only 398 career HRs and a career average in the 260s.
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