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Postby Pedantic » Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:16 am

RynMan wrote:
KolbSaves wrote:um alright you can have Utley and I'll take Kent


Considering the results that they will give you and the rounds in which you can get them, I'd say Utley is better value.


Unless you're in a league with a bunch of guys that think like the guy who started the thread, then Utley might be getting picked a round after Kent. :-o Sorry, Utley might be less filling, but he tastes like cardboard.
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Postby KolbSaves » Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:33 am

RynMan wrote:
KolbSaves wrote:um alright you can have Utley and I'll take Kent


Considering the results that they will give you and the rounds in which you can get them, I'd say Utley is better value.

I thought Kent in the 10th was pretty nice. Utley went in the 13th.
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Postby Madison » Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:20 am

ravenmad22 wrote:Kent is obviously superior because of the track record, but getting guys like Juan Uribe and Chase Utley in the late rounds are what win championships. Kent in the 3rd round doesn't give you much value where he's picked.

I'd much prefer a round 18 Uribe or Utley to a round 3 Kent.


8-o In what draft has Kent gone in the 3rd? 8-o He's fallen down to the double digit rounds, or around the 8th round at the earliest in all of mine. :-?
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Postby so0perspam » Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:23 am

Madison wrote:
ravenmad22 wrote:Kent is obviously superior because of the track record, but getting guys like Juan Uribe and Chase Utley in the late rounds are what win championships. Kent in the 3rd round doesn't give you much value where he's picked.

I'd much prefer a round 18 Uribe or Utley to a round 3 Kent.


8-o In what draft has Kent gone in the 3rd? 8-o He's fallen down to the double digit rounds, or around the 8th round at the earliest in all of mine. :-?


Same here.
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Postby brandnew » Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:53 am

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brandnew wrote:Example #2: Carlos Guillen and Michael Young


You serious? :-°


Yeah, basing it on last year's stats, why not? Young goes in the 4th, Guillen 5-6 Rounds later. I'll take Guillen in those rounds.
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Postby so0perspam » Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:11 am

brandnew wrote:
so0perspam wrote:
brandnew wrote:Example #2: Carlos Guillen and Michael Young


You serious? :-°


Yeah, basing it on last year's stats, why not? Young goes in the 4th, Guillen 5-6 Rounds later. I'll take Guillen in those rounds.


I thought the direction of this thread was geared towards who's the better player rather than value. :-?
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Postby chrispistol3 » Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:57 am

Not at all. Nobody in their right mind would draft Utley ahead of Kent. All I'm saying is that I'd much rather get Utley in the 21st round then Kent in the 6th or B. Boone in the 8th, which is how it went in our draft. Utley has tremendous upside and could potentially approach Kent like numbers with 500+AB. If you have a nice platoon option for when Utley plays against lefties, I think you can get close to J. Kent type production. Hence the original title "Less Filling, Plays Great".
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Postby wrveres » Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:12 am

chrispistol3 wrote:Not at all. Nobody in their right mind would draft Utley ahead of Kent. All I'm saying is that I'd much rather get Utley in the 21st round then Kent in the 6th or B. Boone in the 8th, which is how it went in our draft. Utley has tremendous upside and could potentially approach Kent like numbers with 500+AB. If you have a nice platoon option for when Utley plays against lefties, I think you can get close to J. Kent type production. Hence the original title "Less Filling, Plays Great".


and when Utley starts losing AB's to Polanco, then what?
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Postby TB13 » Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:17 am

[quote="chrispistol3"]Not at all. Nobody in their right mind would draft Utley ahead of Kent. All I'm saying is that I'd much rather get Utley in the 21st round then Kent in the 6th or B. Boone in the 8th, which is how it went in our draft. [/quote]
Talk about more value all you want. Kent is not quite washed up. I happen to be an Utley fan, but getting Kent in any low double digit round, is as much value as getting Utley in the 16th round. Value is value but eventually one has to come back to reality and consider who WILL put up better numbers this year. I have Utley stashed away on my bench this year and would be tickled pink if he comes anywhere near Mr. Kent's neighborhood.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:37 am

I understand what Chris is saying, and I think the nitpicking is based upon when certain players will fall. Its a completely different argument if you think Kent will go in the 5th or 10th. What Chris is getting at - and rightly so - is that there is cheap 2B alternatives that can be viewed as better value picks late in the draft if people plan on taking Kent in the 5th-6th rd with Brett Boone. I wouldnt draft either of those guys there. In fact, Ive said this before, but the only time Im even thinking about a 2B in my snake draft is Giles in the 4th. Sure if Kent or Loretta fall past the 8th rd you have to consider that good value.

Personally, I dont buy into the Utley hype, Id rather have Vidro, Uribe, Castillo, and Roberts ahead of him, but they can all be had relatively late.
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