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Postby TheYanks04 » Sun Mar 27, 2005 1:12 am

TheRock wrote:Actually, the recommendation came based on his talent, history and back seeming to be better, the comment about his hand was made in jest (how I read it anyway).

Let's try your own test on you: Bonds is out for while due to knee surgery. Which knee? Pedro had a bum shoulder last year, which one? I don't know anyone who paid any attention to which of Barry's knees it was, and I'm guessing you assumed it was Pedro's pitching shoulder. I didn't even look it up, seems like a fair assumption to make. So if a guy loses his cool in the dugout and puches a wall, would you assume he used his dominant hand? Maybe not, but one guy did (that one guy being a roto genius BTW) and now you've pronounced him full of it? Dude, chill. :-t



I am not getting paid as an expert. I am also not a journalist. Someone who is a professional and being paid on such matters should damn well check the reliability of the information.

-- the exact Rotoworld quote:
Kevin Brown - Yankees - What’s really changed from last spring, when Brown was regarded by practically everyone as a top-20 starter? His back is no more of a concern than it was then. He’s made it pretty clear that next time his temper leads him into a fight with a wall, he’ll be bright enough to lead with his left. Brown did struggle to come back after breaking his pitching hand last year, but with the way he had to rush his return, that was hardly unexpected. While Brown can’t be counted on to stay healthy, he should be well above average when healthy. A trade to the Braves would have made him an outstanding investment. As is, he’s still worth pursuing.



Now if you want to read that as trying to be funny, that is your right.

The comment that he states that:
"Brown did struggle to come back after breaking his pitching hand last year, but with the way he had to rush his return, that was hardly unexpected."

hardly seems to be in jest to me and is the second sentence in further suport of his argument on that matter.

I read that as he simply got it wrong. And I would have no problem with a Brown recommendation (though I would not agree with it) had he stated everthing else and left that part out. He is basing his recommendation to a large extent on the hand staement. If that is in jest, he should learm how to write sarcasm better, because I still do not read it that way. One does not say something like the second sentence highlighted in bold if one is trying to be funny, imo.

You would have expected better out of Rotoworld. And it is such an obvious mistake that it should have been caught bey whatever proof-reader/editor they employ.
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Postby TheRock » Sun Mar 27, 2005 1:18 am

Guess I would have bolded it this way.

TheYanks04 wrote:Kevin Brown - Yankees - What’s really changed from last spring, when Brown was regarded by practically everyone as a top-20 starter? His back is no more of a concern than it was then. He’s made it pretty clear that next time his temper leads him into a fight with a wall, he’ll be bright enough to lead with his left. Brown did struggle to come back after breaking his pitching hand last year, but with the way he had to rush his return, that was hardly unexpected. While Brown can’t be counted on to stay healthy, he should be well above average when healthy. A trade to the Braves would have made him an outstanding investment. As is, he’s still worth pursuing.


To each his own. I'll still listen to what the man has to say.
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Postby donny23 » Sun Mar 27, 2005 2:03 am

This is the most petty garbage I've ever read on this site. Yanks04, you are a very bright, knowledgeable baseball and fantasy baseball fan. I think rotoworld is entitled to errors just like everyone else...even catastrophic errors as you seem to want to label this one. I for one will be going back to rotoworld on a daily basis. If you aren't, hey, it's your loss. I have a feeling you still will be just like the rest of us though.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Sun Mar 27, 2005 2:19 am

Never said I would not. They are the best source of injury info around.

My point is that like the other "experts" we like to criticize (from CBS, ESPN and others), they seem to be no more reliable on real fantasy advice. This was a recommendation of a player pick by their expert. Someone comes and recommends Brown to me to a decent extent on false information, I consider that a pretty sizeable mess up. Everyone makes mistakes and my guess on players is a crummy as the next guy's, but I am not being paid to be an "Expert". We criticize Funston for some of the silly things he does, for The Talented Mr Roto for picking Orlando Cabrera in the 4th round, for the ESPN guys for being clueless. This is in the same league of a blunder whether Brown goes out and pitches well or not (and believe it or not I hope he does and proves me wrong).

It should be noted, that Rotoworld corrected the error and the article now states:
Kevin Brown - Yankees - What’s really changed from last spring, when Brown was regarded by practically everyone as a top-20 starter? His back is no more of a concern than it was then. Brown did struggle to come back after breaking his non-pitching hand last year, but with the way he had to rush his return, that was hardly unexpected. While Brown can’t be counted on to stay healthy, he should be well above average when healthy. A trade to the Braves would have made him an outstanding investment. As is, he’s still worth pursuing.

Of course there is no mention of the correction or a note/explanation as to why. But better late than never I suppose.
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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:32 am

I am going to go back to a point I made in an earlier thread.

I find it very hard for anyone to be a true fantasy baseball expert. Jack of all trades master of none is a good way of describing most of these so called guru's. The true value is having a team of experts that only focus in on certain players, positions, etc....

Here at the cafe we have a bunch of guys that are probably more of an expert regarding certain team than the experts from rotowrold, yahoo, cbs...why? Because that is their area that they focus most of their time.

I have alos said this before. I own my own company but I cant do everything myself nor do I want to know how to do everyones job. It is much easier to hire an expert that handles the accounting, one to handle the human resources, etc... There just isnt enough time in the day for them to learn and do everyones job.

In todays world if you wan tto offer your customer a top of the line product you must specialize your business, website, or what ever. I would much rather have a conversation with a yankees fan if I need info about Jeter or Randy Johnson. Why...I think it is obvious!

Now I do agree that if I have to pay for such a service it better be pretty damn good. I really like the way rotowire handles their website. They hire specialists to handle certain teams and may have 40 guys that specialize in certain areas. Very seldom will you someone make comments about another team that they do not follow like a religion.

just my 2 cents.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:17 am

SHOCKandAWE wrote:I am going to go back to a point I made in an earlier thread.

I find it very hard for anyone to be a true fantasy baseball expert. Jack of all trades master of none is a good way of describing most of these so called guru's. The true value is having a team of experts that only focus in on certain players, positions, etc....

Here at the cafe we have a bunch of guys that are probably more of an expert regarding certain team than the experts from rotowrold, yahoo, cbs...why? Because that is their area that they focus most of their time.

I have alos said this before. I own my own company but I cant do everything myself nor do I want to know how to do everyones job. It is much easier to hire an expert that handles the accounting, one to handle the human resources, etc... There just isnt enough time in the day for them to learn and do everyones job.

In todays world if you wan tto offer your customer a top of the line product you must specialize your business, website, or what ever. I would much rather have a conversation with a yankees fan if I need info about Jeter or Randy Johnson. Why...I think it is obvious!

Now I do agree that if I have to pay for such a service it better be pretty damn good. I really like the way rotowire handles their website. They hire specialists to handle certain teams and may have 40 guys that specialize in certain areas. Very seldom will you someone make comments about another team that they do not follow like a religion.

just my 2 cents.



Well said. I completely agree.
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Postby wrveres » Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:08 am

When Rotoworld goes pay so they can hire experts to keep the constantly bitter YanksO4 happy, why do I get the feeling he would be the first one to bitch about it.

Rick. Good job. The FREE services you provide at rotoworld is extremely valuable to a great many of us addicts. I would also imagine that many of my brethren here actually have Rotoworld set as our homepage. I know I do.

when it comes to Yanks04, just ignore him. I know most of us do. :-t
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Postby RynMan » Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:52 am

wrveres wrote:
when it comes to Yanks04, just ignore him. I know most of us do. :-t


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Postby JDD » Sun Mar 27, 2005 9:25 am

Credible sources of information usually get their facts straight.

Anyone can post their opinion, but it actually takes a little work to make sure what can be accurate, is accurate.
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Postby dryice » Sun Mar 27, 2005 11:04 am

think ill try my hand at this blurb thing...

Brown sucked last season after breakin' at least one of his hands.

give me five!
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