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Postby NZF » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:41 pm

mamorris wrote:
From memory, the AL won 132 games to the NL's 112.


Good memory and that is a very healthy advantage the AL enjoyed this season. The AL also won more games in 2004.

With the amount of guys changing leagues, going back further than that would be pointless.

Of course another measure of the relative league strengths is the current World Champions who of course are an AL league team.
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Postby NZF » Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:47 pm

Getting back on topic, another AL pitcher from 2004 who this season is enjoying the weaker NL league is of course
Esteban Loaiza
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Postby HOOTIE » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:48 pm

I prefer NL sp. I will take a good AL here and there.

DK, it's just a gut feeling, but i think the AL is the better league.

The All-Star Game isn't a good gauge of leagues. Guys never play over a few innings, and one guy having a off day (bad game), can cost the game.

At least the WS is a 4-7 game sample size.

Not many NL teams would survive in the AL East.
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Postby bleach168 » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:51 pm

Not many NL teams would survive in the AL East.


Most teams in the AL East don't survive in the AL East.

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Postby DK » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:12 pm

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mamorris wrote:
From memory, the AL won 132 games to the NL's 112.


Good memory and that is a very healthy advantage the AL enjoyed this season. The AL also won more games in 2004.

With the amount of guys changing leagues, going back further than that would be pointless.

Of course another measure of the relative league strengths is the current World Champions who of course are an AL league team.


NZF, read the last paragraph of my previous post. That difference was mainly created by, again, the atrocity of the NL West. If you take out the games played by the NL West, the NL has a slight advantage.

The World Champions aren't a good indicator of relative league strength, it's a measure of which league had the #1 team in the playoffs the year before. Playoff success is very much a crapshoot.
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Postby NZF » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:19 pm

Regardless of being good indicators or not, these are the only measurable devices we can use. So if you don't want to compare apples with oranges, you must use them.

And when you do, whatever way you look at it, right now the AL comes out on top.

And that's why NL pitchers are way better value than AL pitchers ;-)
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Postby DK » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:23 pm

New Zealand Fan wrote:Regardless of being good indicators or not, these are the only measurable devices we can use. So if you don't want to compare apples with oranges, you must use them.

And when you do, whatever way you look at it, right now the AL comes out on top.

And that's why NL pitchers are way better value than AL pitchers ;-)


I agree that NL pitchers are better value than AL pitchers. However, you're ignoring everything I'm saying. If you take out the NL West's interleague games (as I've been saying all along), the NL has the advantage over the AL in interleague. How's that for a measurable device?

If you look back I never said that the NL was a better league than the AL if you include the NL West. I do believe, however, that the NL is somewhat better once you take them out.
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Postby NZF » Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:35 pm

No, I'm listening to what you're saying I just don't see how you can leave the NL West out of this when comparing overall league strengths.

I could pull the pin on a few of the worst AL teams as well in Interleague play and that could very well turn the tables back to the AL in winning %.
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Postby NZF » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:06 pm

OK. Hypothetical situation.

AL vs NL in a best of whatever you like contest.

AL

Suzuki / Damon
Tejada / Young
Sheff / Ortiz
Vlad
Manny / Matsui
A-Rod
Tex
Varitek
Soriano


Santana
RJ
Halladay
Colon
Harden
Zito

Rivera
K-Rod
Street
Guardado
Nathan


NL

Furcal / Rollins
Beltran
Pujols
Abreu / A.Jones
Lee
Cabrera / Bay
Ramirez / Wright
Kent
Lo Duca / Barrett


Clemens
Pedro
Peavy
Carpenter
Sheets
Oswalt


Lidge
Izzy
Hoffman
Wagner
Cordero


I don't think there is any doubt that the AL wins that series.

That AL batting lineup is I think considerably stronger and has far more depth than the NL's.
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Postby RAmst23 » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:11 pm

[quote="Pogotheostrich"]Here are the win totals since interleague started.

    YEAR AL NL
    1997 97 117
    1998 114 110
    1999 116 135
    2000 136 115
    2001 132 120
    2002 123 129
    2003 115 137
    2004 126 125
    2005 136 116


I can't believe it took until the 2nd page of this thread for someone to bring up the Win Loss of Interleague play. Yea, the AL pasted the NL this year, but the NL pasted the AL in 2003. 2004 is dead even (The AL having one extra win in an odd number of games played doesn't count for anything.)

How come no one's brought up the World Series winners either? AL and the NL are fairly even,and with talent jumping back and forth between the leagues, it will most likely stay that way.

This year the AL dominated.
Historically it is pretty even the the AL winning 1095 total games and the NL winning 1104.
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