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Postby Lime » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:18 pm

To try and make the rankings for overall starters more efficient/accurate I'll split them up and do them by league first. I've decided on 120 pitchers it total I will rank, 52 from the AL and 68 from the NL.

American League
1. Johan Santana MIN
2. Randy Johnson NYY
3. Curt Schilling BOS
4. Roy Halladay TOR
5. Rich Harden OAK
6. C.C. Sabathia CLE
7. Carl Pavano NYY
8. Mark Buehrle CWS
9. Matt Clement BOS
10. Kelvim Escobar ANA
11. Barry Zito OAK
12. Zack Greinke KC
13. Bartolo Colon ANA
14. Brad Radke MIN
15. Freddy Garcia CWS
16. Ted Lilly TOR
17. Jake Westbrook CLE
18. Paul Byrd ANA
19. Kevin Millwood CLE
20. Mike Mussina NYY
21. Joel Pineiro SEA
22. Dave Bush TOR
23. Orlando Hernandez CWS
24. Jeremy Bonderman DET
25. Rodrigo Lopez BAL
26. Danny Haren OAK
27. Kevin Brown NYY
28. Jose Contreras CWS
29. Joaquin Benoit TEX (Sleeper of the year)
30. Jarrod Washburn ANA
31. Keiichi Yabu OAK
32. Bronson Arroyo BOS
33. Jaret Wright NYY
34. Gil Meche SEA
35. Jon Garland CWS
36. Wade Miller BOS (Hurt?)
37. Runelvys Hernandez KC
38. Erik Bedard BAL
39. David Wells BOS
40. Chris Young TEX
41. Cliff Lee CLE
42. Joe Blanton OAK
43. John Lackey ANA
44. Carlos Silva MIN
45. Scott Kazmir TB
46. Bobby Madritsch SEA
47. Gustavo Chacin TOR
48. Ryan Franklin SEA
49. Tim Wakefield BOS
50. Jose Lima KC
51. Kyle Lohse MIN
52. Nate Robertson DET

Offer your input where you see fit. I'll have my NL rankings up a little later.
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Postby ravenmad22 » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:46 pm

Mussina, Arroyo and Bonderman need to move up. Zito, Millwood and Clement all need to go down.
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Postby Lime » Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:21 pm

ravenmad22 wrote:Mussina, Arroyo and Bonderman need to move up. Zito, Millwood and Clement all need to go down.


As much as I like Arroyo, I've read a bunch of things that say he's not even in the Red Sox rotation right now. My concern with Bonderman is that ERA he had near 5.00 last year, and Mussina, I just don't think he'll be very good this year.

Is Millwood still labouring some sort of injury?
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Postby ensanimal » Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:25 pm

Nate Robertson needs to be a lot higher than some of those guys you've ranked at the bottom.
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Postby RedSoxdominate » Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:51 pm

I think I'd move Escobar, Bonderman and Mussina up and probably move Sabathia, Millwood and Halladay down just a bit. Not convinced about those guys.
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Postby mcqfesijiba » Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:24 pm

That's some nice love for Haren and David Bush. I like them, just not sure if I'm that optimistic about them. And Keiichi Yabu, has he secured a starting role? Last I heard, it was long relief at best for him. Although I admit really don't know too much else about Yabu.
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Postby Lime » Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:01 pm

Nice input. I'll think about it all later but for now here's how I ranked the NL starters:

National League

1. Ben Sheets MIL
2. Mark Prior CHC
3. Jason Schmidt SF
4. Jake Peavy SD
5. Pedro Martinez NYM
6. Tim Hudson ATL
7. Roger Clemens HOU
8. A.J. Burnett FLA
9. Josh Beckett FLA
10. Roy Oswalt HOU
11. Brandon Webb ARI
12. Kerry Wood CHC
13. Oliver Perez PIT
14. Mark Mulder STL
15. Adam Eaton SD
16. Carlos Zambrano CHC
17. Randy Wolf PHI
18. Brad Penny LA
19. Odalis Perez LA
20. Javier Vazquez ARI
21. Livan Hernandez WAS
22. Dontrelle Willis FLA
23. Andy Pettitte HOU
24. Matt Morris STL
25. John Smoltz ATL
26. Brian Lawrence SD
27. Kris Benson NYM
28. Kip Wells PIT
29. Vicente Padilla PHI
30. Derek Lowe LA
31. Woody Williams SD
32. Tony Armas Jr. WAS
33. Greg Maddux CHC
34. Doug Davis MIL
35. Jeff Weaver LA
36. Eric Milton CIN
37. Tom Glavine NYM
38. Noah Lowry SF
39. Jason Marquis STL
40. Victor Zambrano NYM
41. Mark Redman PIT
42. Jeff Suppan STL
43. Russ Ortiz ARI
44. Joe Kennedy COL
45. John Thomson ATL
46. Jon Lieber PHI
47. Brett Tomko SF
48. Al Leiter FLA
49. Paul Wilson CIN
50. Ben Hendrickson MIL
51. Jeff Francis COL
52. Jerome Williams SF
53. Mike Hampton ATL
54. Gavin Floyd PHI
55. Victor Santos MIL
56. Glendon Rusch CHC
57. Tomo Ohka WAS
58. Kaz Ishii LA
59. Brett Myers PHI
60. Cory Lidle PHI
61. Brandon Backe HOU
62. Darrell May SD
63. Josh Fogg PIT
64. Ramon Ortiz CIN
65. Aaron Harang CIN
66. Zach Day WAS
67. Chris Capuano MIL
68. Esteban Loaiza WAS

I think I deleted a player by accident while I was doing these on Word. So I added in Loaiza. Anyone notice someone missing that shouldn't be?
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Postby TheYanks04 » Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:31 pm

I do not know where you come up with this stuff, but you really need to do some more figuring. I mean I know SP rankings are dubious and opinions varying widely, but Adam Eaton over C. Zambrano, Livan Hernandez and others? Matt Morris over Smoltz? Webb at 11? It is hard to take that seriosuly.
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Postby Lime » Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:38 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:I do not know where you come up with this stuff, but you really need to do some more figuring. I mean I know SP rankings are dubious and opinions varying widely, but Adam Eaton over C. Zambrano, Livan Hernandez and others? Matt Morris over Smoltz? Webb at 11? It is hard to take that seriosuly.


Geeze. You are harsh as hell!

Eaton, from what I've heard on here, is supposed to be the next Jason Schmidt. John Smoltz hasn't been a starter since when, 1999? I don't see why you and others think he's a lock for greatness in the rotation. Webb at 11? Is that too high or too low? He was amazing in 2003 but only "pretty good" last year. What is a ranker to do?

Anyway, I'd really like to take you on in a future league. }:-)
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:48 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:I do not know where you come up with this stuff, but you really need to do some more figuring. I mean I know SP rankings are dubious and opinions varying widely, but Adam Eaton over C. Zambrano, Livan Hernandez and others? Matt Morris over Smoltz? Webb at 11? It is hard to take that seriosuly.


Completely agree. Some of those are really out there. I guess if your projecting injuries, mental breakdowns, and alien abductions then maybe, but...

Pettitte ahead of Smoltz - thats all I really need to know. :-o
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