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Postby agchris02 » Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:59 am

Abreu is being drafted 12th on avg in espn leagues and 11th in yahoo -- anyone drafted in the top 20 cannot be called "underrated"
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Postby HOOTIE » Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:53 am

IRL i think Abreu is easily the most underrated. Does everything well, but not much press. Doesn't get enough love in fantasy either. IRL Edmonds is underrated. His peak years aren't much under some of the best cf ever.

As far as Ichiro, yea he could hit 370 again, but the odds are against it. Here is his career hit rate %

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40

As you can see, his 40% was out of the norm.

CM, glad to see you are with me to lead the Beltre train. One of the most talented guys in bb. Fluke season, and contract year doesn't fly.

NZF, the AL East was the highest scoring last year. Taking NY out since Wright won't face them, it still would rank the 2nd highest scoring division. NYY pitchers don't have it easy.

And why is Chavez called overrated? He has great numbers looking at his career in relevance to his age. He was better then Rolen pre 27.
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Postby Registered_Guest » Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:57 am

Mookie4ever wrote:Ichiro, Beltre and, come to think of it, most of the Mariners lineup does not get the respect that it deserves.


Probably because outside of Ichiro last year, that lineup sucked.

Win some ball games, then you'll get respect.
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Postby pmp » Fri Mar 18, 2005 5:42 am

quietstorm wrote:How can only four people have listed Abreu? Do you people realize that last year, considered his "career year," he finished 27th in MVP voting? In WARP1 (wins above replacement level) from '98 through '04, he was ninth. The list of players above him?

1. Barry Bonds 87.2
2. Alex Rodriguez 70.6
3. Pedro Martinez 68.6
4. Randy Johnson 63.6
5. Todd Helton 62.5
6. Jeff Kent 60.6
7. Scott Rolen 59.8
8. Sammy Sosa 59.7
9. Bobby Abreu 58.4
10. Curt Schilling 58.2


Career averages?

162 GP, 23 HR, 29 SB (75.3%), 104 R, 94 RBI, 106 BB, 60 XBH, .305/.412/.517.


We're not talking most underrated in roto. The title was "in baseball." Abreu is, hands down, the single most underrated player in baseball.... now, and possibly ever.


might as well just link directly to today's baseballprospectus article ;)

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... cleid=3832
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Postby jpbusta » Fri Mar 18, 2005 5:46 am

pmp wrote:
quietstorm wrote:How can only four people have listed Abreu? Do you people realize that last year, considered his "career year," he finished 27th in MVP voting? In WARP1 (wins above replacement level) from '98 through '04, he was ninth. The list of players above him?

1. Barry Bonds 87.2
2. Alex Rodriguez 70.6
3. Pedro Martinez 68.6
4. Randy Johnson 63.6
5. Todd Helton 62.5
6. Jeff Kent 60.6
7. Scott Rolen 59.8
8. Sammy Sosa 59.7
9. Bobby Abreu 58.4
10. Curt Schilling 58.2


Career averages?

162 GP, 23 HR, 29 SB (75.3%), 104 R, 94 RBI, 106 BB, 60 XBH, .305/.412/.517.


We're not talking most underrated in roto. The title was "in baseball." Abreu is, hands down, the single most underrated player in baseball.... now, and possibly ever.


might as well just link directly to today's baseballprospectus article ;)

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... cleid=3832


Do you have to be a subscriber to read this? :~(
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Postby Conner » Fri Mar 18, 2005 5:48 am

pmp wrote:
might as well just link directly to today's baseballprospectus article ;)

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... cleid=3832


Heh...I was going to post that link, but it is a subscriber site...not everyone is going to be able to see it,
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Postby afromangettindrunk » Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:55 pm

agchris02 wrote:Abreu is being drafted 12th on avg in espn leagues and 11th in yahoo -- anyone drafted in the top 20 cannot be called "underrated"


thats what i was thinking. abreu went in the top 6 in our message board draft. how could that possibly be construed as underrated? on this board ive read numerous posts of people giving abreu praise and hyping him a ton. i too think he'll have a great season and cannot possibly see him as underrated when hes going in the 1st round in drafts.
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Postby quietstorm » Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:27 pm

pmp wrote:
quietstorm wrote:How can only four people have listed Abreu? Do you people realize that last year, considered his "career year," he finished 27th in MVP voting? In WARP1 (wins above replacement level) from '98 through '04, he was ninth. The list of players above him?

1. Barry Bonds 87.2
2. Alex Rodriguez 70.6
3. Pedro Martinez 68.6
4. Randy Johnson 63.6
5. Todd Helton 62.5
6. Jeff Kent 60.6
7. Scott Rolen 59.8
8. Sammy Sosa 59.7
9. Bobby Abreu 58.4
10. Curt Schilling 58.2


Career averages?

162 GP, 23 HR, 29 SB (75.3%), 104 R, 94 RBI, 106 BB, 60 XBH, .305/.412/.517.


We're not talking most underrated in roto. The title was "in baseball." Abreu is, hands down, the single most underrated player in baseball.... now, and possibly ever.


might as well just link directly to today's baseballprospectus article ;)

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... cleid=3832

LOL... it's a subscriber-only article, or else I would have linked to it. I think it's pretty obvious I grabbed my stats from it.
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Postby NZF » Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:35 pm

HOOTIE wrote:
NZF, the AL East was the highest scoring last year. Taking NY out since Wright won't face them, it still would rank the 2nd highest scoring division. NYY pitchers don't have it easy.



Sure but Wright is not pitching in the AL East last year.

It looks weaker to me this year. Also there are a higher % of hitting parks in the AL East which inflates the run average.
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