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by **Cleveland-IS-Coming** » Sun May 04, 2003 10:07 pm

Closers are the most overrated players in baseball. They only have to pitch one ining and keep the lead. If you took any great starting pitcher like Randy Johnson or Mike Mussina they could pitch one ining without giving up the lead!

For peats sake they keep the lead for 6 or more inings and still they are traded for closers. Oh and Johnson as a closer- scarey

by **Guest** » Sun May 04, 2003 11:35 pm

If you're in a roto league then closers are invaluable. They'll get you saves and help keep ERA and WHIP low.

:-)

by **bleach168** » Mon May 05, 2003 1:01 am

I agree with you. Give me a quality position player or starting pitcher who helps me in 4 categories over a closer anyday. The closers who help with Ks, whip and ERA don't really pitch that many innings anyways and they cost so much! And average closers like Jose Mesa, are pretty much one category guys so their value is limited.

by **Amnorix** » Mon May 05, 2003 9:06 am

Closer is the least valuable fantasy position. Not to say it has NO value, just the least value.

That said, because this is *fantasy* baseball, a number of closers are worth a number of starters. Obviously, no closer is worth an effective Unit, Curt or Pedro. But certain closers are worth more than a Wolf or Washburn...

by **ondeckb** » Mon May 05, 2003 10:40 am

This is basically a ridiculous post...you shouldn't be ignoring saves, or steals or any other category. Put together a balanced team that gives you a chance to compete in every category!

by **timkell** » Mon May 05, 2003 11:01 am

I think the original post was about real baseball, not fantasy. If that's the case, I agree to a point.

The fact that most closers will never be asked to come in in a tie game or a game when you're losing by a run is just ridiculous. They seem to be only brought in when it will help their stats, and they get pissed if they're used for any other situation. Total BS, and any stud starter would make a monster closer. Case in point, John Smoltz.

by **Guest** » Mon May 05, 2003 2:32 pm

bleach168 wrote:IThe closers who help with Ks, whip and ERA don't really pitch that many innings

And that's good if your league has a limit on innings pitched.

by **bleach168** » Mon May 05, 2003 3:57 pm

This is basically a ridiculous post...you shouldn't be ignoring saves

I'm not saying you should ignore saves. I'm saying they are overrated badly. When it comes to closers, it more about quantity than quality. An army of crap closers will beat the team with Smoltz and Gagne everytime.

My bullpen:

Looper (drafted in round 11)
Mesa (waivers)
Lyon (waivers)
Nelson (free agent)
Calero (free agent)
Person (free agent)

In a 16-team league, I'm in great shape.

by **The Jury** » Mon May 05, 2003 4:07 pm

Uh.. If the league uses 2 RP slots, I'd take Smoltz and Gagne over that bunch anyday.

by **Cleveland-IS-Coming** » Mon May 05, 2003 4:24 pm

Actually most leagues have 3 pitching slots where you can put closers when SP arent starting

Closers are WAY overrated. And as the first post says-take a starter and turn him into a closer and he would be great. Well think about this guy: Eric Gagne ;-)

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