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Postby brandnew » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:08 am

LBJackal wrote:
Kelly Gruber wrote:I'll tell you who's the best 3rd round pick:

NOMAR!!
1) He's got to prove he's still a star
2) He's got that crazy core-training workout
3) Who else do the Cubs have? Nomar has to step up for them now that Sammy is gone


Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez, who are both better hitters than Nomar. But you're right, he has to prove he's still a star. So why draft him in the third round like he's the Nomar of 2003?


Well said... plus, even a Nomar year isn't worthy of a 2nd Round Pick, without the SB he's put up in the past.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:11 am

Nomar is not round 3 material. Someone else can gamble on someone like him round 3...I will take a Thome or Ortiz or Rolen or whoever instead.

As for Beltre, I just do not trust him enough to risk that high a pick. There are plenty of good 3bs around not to have to gamble with a high pick on one.
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Postby brandnew » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:16 am

Not sure how it's a gamble, but, on Nomar, usually he's going around Round 4, so no reason to pick him in Round 2.
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Postby Kelly Gruber » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:16 am

Nomar is a great 3rd rounder...he's a 5 tool guy on a comeback year. I remember him going as early as late 1st, early 2nd round last year...

And Derrek Lee is a great player, although no superstar that a team would build a marketing campaign around, and Aramis Ramirez, like Adrian Beltre, had a fantastic seasons last year, but both are notorious underachievers...what is to say they don't suck again this year? I remember both Beltre and Ramirez were picked up off of FA in my pool last year - tells you something.

So, yes, the Cubs no longer have a superstar to build a marketing campiagn around. Nomar will step it up, sign a long-term deal this year, and he is the guy they want. Why else would they sign him again this year but to give him an opportunity to do just that?
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Postby brandnew » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:18 am

Since when does Nomar steal bases with that injury? :-o
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Postby TheYanks04 » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:23 am

Nomar is an injury risk who is no spring chicken. One of the poorer early round bets imo. Yeah he goes round 4...so what? It is bad risk vs reward. There are other excellent players around that are far, far safer and more reliable value picks. Why mess with an aging, injury prone SS? Grab Furcal or Renteria rounds 6-8 and be done with it. Only SS I would pick very high is Tejada.
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Postby brandnew » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:25 am

I'd grab Guillen as late as you can in the draft.. he's Michael Young numbers 6 Rounds Later.
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Postby Kelly Gruber » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:33 am

So you're saying it's not possible to completely heal from an injury sustained last year, especially after an off-season to rest it?

But you're still dodging my question. Even if he doesn't get double digit steals, he hits for average and has pretty good power numbers, and he's a great pick because of his position. Sure, there are other players that will put up similar numbers, but only 1 at the same position: Tejada. I would rank Nomar the second best shortstop right now, and who knows, he may even put up better numbers than Tejada.
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Postby brandnew » Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:07 am

Position eligibility doesn't put him ahead of other 2nd Round Players. There's a lot of good Shortstops... he's just not a 2nd Rounder, and you'd be ripping yourself off if you took him there.
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Postby Kelly Gruber » Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:19 am

THIRD Round...that's what I've been saying this whole time
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