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Postby Havok1517 » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:32 pm

I say both answers are Kaz, unless Francis gets traded out of Coors. then I say their future is a bout even.
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Postby go_jays_go » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:36 pm

Havok1517 wrote:I say both answers are Kaz, unless Francis gets traded out of Coors. then I say their future is a bout even.


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Postby Strasil42 » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:38 pm

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Postby Lime » Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:44 pm

If Francis can find a way out of Colorado I guarantee that Kazmir won't even touch him.
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Postby Steve-o » Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:43 pm

Kazmir's VORP is 15.5 and Steve Francis' is 17.0 according to BP.

The problem is Francis is in Colorado.

This year, I think Kazmir is better. Long term I think Francis.
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Postby AcidRock23 » Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:17 pm

doesn't the VORP factor in the park though?

I am more leery of any SP off of the dregs of the league teams and neither TB nor CO does not really seem likely to generate many W this year so, even if Kazmir is lights out in ERA, WHIP and K, that's only 1/2 the cats. If you have two SP and one's 'close' I'd take the one off the winner or the cheaper one. Given that Kazmirhype> Francis' hype, I'd shoot for Francis at that level. Maybe Kazmir will light it up but that seems to be about the same probability as Kazmir lighting it up.

Not to mention, Francis gets division matchups on the road in SF (why play Bonds vs. the Rockies, if they get lucky, we can PH him late...), LA (who needs offense w/ a pitchers' park), SD (Petco's heavy air, say no more...) and AZ (see above, although their park IS friendlier for hitters...). OTOH, Kazmir gets to visit Yankee Stadium, Fenway and Camden Yards, all of which are not going to be too hospitable as far as matchups. Kazmir MAY be a better pitcher but how's he gonna pitch in those conditions? I think that Francis may be a better value. I missed out on him in one league as I am stacked w/ better SP but have my eye on him for the other one. I'll pass on Kazmir this year.
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Postby SHOCKandAWE » Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:50 pm

I may be the only one thats says Francis but I like him
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Postby so0perspam » Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:55 pm

Kazmir for me. ;-D
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Postby quietstorm » Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:59 pm

I like Francis... but he probably won't be so great while he's in CO. Who knows, maybe he'll do okay in CO, but don't take that chance until you see it for yourself.
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