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Postby LooseCannon » Wed May 25, 2005 6:47 pm

Interesting List. Damn it's long, though
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Postby jellyroll » Wed May 25, 2005 7:36 pm

Great read ;-D ;-D
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Postby Tavish » Wed May 25, 2005 9:17 pm

RAmst23 wrote:I'm not sure the list would change...

In the 1920's and 1930's baseball was changing, and few power hitters emerged while the rest of the league stayed pat.

By the 1930s the league had very much caught up with Gehrig and Ruth. They were still the most valuable players at their position in most of the seasons after that, but in terms of domination they were around the same level as Beltre was last season.

When looking at the players in terms of fantasy baseball a major factor that gets overlooked is that during the First Live Ball Era there were 16 total teams with no DH. A normal 12 team league nowadays would have been around 6 teams back then.

He is one real quick comparison.

9. Lou Gehrig, 1B, 1934 New York Yankees
Stats: .363 AVG, 49 HR, 165 RBI, 9 SB, 128 R, 579 AB
Looking back at the numbers, it's outright incredible that Gehrig won the AL's Triple Crown in 1934, yet finished just fifth in the MVP voting. Unfortunately, that was the year Detroit won the AL pennant, a primary reason three Tigers finished ahead of the Iron Horse in the balloting. Don't let that take away any of the luster from Gehrig's fantasy achievements, however; standings and postseason performances are irrelevant to us. He still paced the majors in batting average, homers and RBI and finished third in runs scored.


In 1934 the average of the 5 1B below Gehrig (the ones who would have been starting on the other fantasy teams in a similar depth league)

<pre>Player R HR RBI SB BA
Gehrig 128 49 165 9 0.363
League 121 30 133 7 0.339
Diff 7 19 22 2 0.034
</pre>

Here is Beltre from last season compared to the top 11 3B (according to Yahoo).

<pre>Player R HR RBI SB BA
Beltre 121 48 121 7 0.334
League 97 31 101 7 0.293
Diff 36 17 20 0 0.041
</pre>

One of these is the 9th greatest fantasy season ever. One of them isn't in the top 100. :-?
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Postby curious_george_43545 » Wed May 25, 2005 9:55 pm

Tavish wrote:
RAmst23 wrote:I'm not sure the list would change...

In the 1920's and 1930's baseball was changing, and few power hitters emerged while the rest of the league stayed pat.

By the 1930s the league had very much caught up with Gehrig and Ruth. They were still the most valuable players at their position in most of the seasons after that, but in terms of domination they were around the same level as Beltre was last season.

When looking at the players in terms of fantasy baseball a major factor that gets overlooked is that during the First Live Ball Era there were 16 total teams with no DH. A normal 12 team league nowadays would have been around 6 teams back then.

He is one real quick comparison.

9. Lou Gehrig, 1B, 1934 New York Yankees
Stats: .363 AVG, 49 HR, 165 RBI, 9 SB, 128 R, 579 AB
Looking back at the numbers, it's outright incredible that Gehrig won the AL's Triple Crown in 1934, yet finished just fifth in the MVP voting. Unfortunately, that was the year Detroit won the AL pennant, a primary reason three Tigers finished ahead of the Iron Horse in the balloting. Don't let that take away any of the luster from Gehrig's fantasy achievements, however; standings and postseason performances are irrelevant to us. He still paced the majors in batting average, homers and RBI and finished third in runs scored.


In 1934 the average of the 5 1B below Gehrig (the ones who would have been starting on the other fantasy teams in a similar depth league)

<pre>Player R HR RBI SB BA
Gehrig 128 49 165 9 0.363
League 121 30 133 7 0.339
Diff 7 19 22 2 0.034
</pre>

Here is Beltre from last season compared to the top 11 3B (according to Yahoo).

<pre>Player R HR RBI SB BA
Beltre 121 48 121 7 0.334
League 97 31 101 7 0.293
Diff 36 17 20 0 0.041
</pre>

One of these is the 9th greatest fantasy season ever. One of them isn't in the top 100. :-?
nice research Tavish and nice list
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Postby Tavish » Thu May 26, 2005 12:21 am

nuggets wrote:
Tavish wrote:I'm sure a great deal of time went into the research, its just too bad that the author decided to state the years were going to be put into terms of the league envirornment when they pretty obviously didn't do so. There is a reason that the list is dominated by late 20s early 30s hitters and 1900 and 1960 pitchers.


Do I sense another and more fine tuned list brewing?


Maybe someday, the guys in the Historical Draft are going to kill me if I spend too much time on other things though. It certainly would be interesting to do. ;-D
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Postby Tavish » Thu May 26, 2005 1:30 pm

[quote="nuggets]I think it's a lot harder to hit .363 even if your peers averages are higher on average vs. hitting .334 if your peers are proportionally lower.[/quote]

Would you consider it a lot harder for Sosa to hit 66 HRs in 1998 than it was for Ruth to hit 59 in 1921? A player's worth in fantasy baseball is based on how much he outperforms his peers. If Ichiro went on to hit .500 this season that would be amazing. If all the other OFs hit .450 Ichiro would still be great, just not as impressive as the statistics look at face value. The same could be said about many of the amazing stat lines for players (mainly OFs and 1B) in the 30s and 40s.
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Re: Top 100 fantasy seasons

Postby JoshExley » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:53 pm

Found this on Fanball. Breaks down the best seasons by position. Pretty interesting:
http://www.fanballnews.com/article.php?article_id=11650

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