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Implementing a Farm System

Postby Goatrider » Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:36 pm

Hello All.

We are attempting to implement a Minor League Roster in a live auction, long-time league. It's a 12 team NL-only and alot of the guys have been playing in the league for a decade. Our system is pretty basic: Auction, then a 6-spot reserve draft. All Free Agent pick-ups are off the waiver wire. This includes top prospects. However, as new guys who are very active come in, a couple of the old-timers are complaining that they just don't have enough time to keep up tracking prospects throughout the season. Basically, the most active poach the prospects then trade them at deadline, creating a bit of competitive unbalance. On top of that, all new recruits for two years now have wanted a Farm System. So here is what I proposed to appeal to both sides. Can you guys share the usual pitfalls of implementing a minors draft? It would help. Thanks and WHIR with a link or even two, cause this is a bit long. Thanks again!

This proposal has been created with two groups in mind:

1) While recruiting new members to the league this year, it was made clear leagues with a Farm System are in high demand.
2) Even though this rule may seem counter-intuitive for them, there are current owners with real lives who cannot spend the same amount of time and energy tracking MLB:) The Farm System protects higher end prospects from being poached by the more active teams, ultimately giving the ultra-active teams more trade material. The Farm will ensure each team maintains three really good prospects.

Please note, the way the Farm is designed is not intrusive and widely maintains the current strategy employed by the league. By limiting the Farm to three picks, the system requires a small amount of research (a list of Top 36 Prospects are easy to find) and in return allows less waiver wire work throughout the season. An added bonus, you will be able to watch a well-picked prospect help your team for a good portion of three seasons, ultimately simulating the cheap talent system of MLB draft and arbitration.

We propose this rule as a way to create a cutting edge league that appeals to both current owners and new recruits. We feel this will help maintain the long-term stability of the league, which has been demonstrated more difficult by the inability to field twelve teams last year.

Thanks Guys!

Proposed Minor League Draft:

FARM & MINOR LEAGUE PLAYERS

- Immediately following the auction, teams shall participate in a Minor League Draft. The MiL Draft will be snake with order determined by the previous year's standings. Each team maintains a Farm System of three (3) players.

Players eligible to be drafted or kept as FARM players are those who have not lost their rookie eligibility (equal to or less than130AB, 50IP).

ONLY MINOR LEAGUE PLAYERS DRAFTED AS FARM PLAYERS MAY BE PLACED IN A TEAM'S FARM ROSTER.

- Major League Rookie players maintain eligible for the main auction.

·A farm system player taken in a draft can be kept as a farm system player until the season that he is activated by his MLB team.
_ At the time activated by MLB, fantasy owner must roster the Farm player in the active roster, reserves, or be released.
_The Farm player is then switched to a $5 Zero Year contract. (Zero contract simultaneously protects against September cups of coffee and rewards fantasy owners for foresight while providing young prospects with multiple years of team control)

- The MiL Draft implements a specialty seventh keeper, termed the Farm Keeper (F1 Keeper). Each owner retains the usual six keepers. In addition, the F1 Keeper allows each owner to protect one activated player each year developed by the Farm System. Activated farm players are marked by F0,F1, and F2 year contracts. This rule maintains the integrity of the Keeper and Farm Systems. This rule does NOT restrict keeping a second activated Farm player in a regular keeper spot.

- A farm player who is called up during the season by his MLB team cannot be reassigned to the FARM during that season.

·If a team acquires a 4th farm player in a trade that team would need to release a farm player to remain legal or include a farm player in the same trade where they acquired their 4th farm player. You may never exceed 3 farm players.

·Farm players retained from year to year are not considered Keepers.

If a Farm player is retained from year to year the lowest available Farm draft pick is forfeited. I.E. Team 1 decides to keep Player X for 2013. Team 1 loses a third round Farm pick. If you keep two farm players you would lose your 3rd and 2nd round picks.

·A minor league player not activated by his MLB is eligible as a farm system player, provided he has retained rookie status according to Major League Baseball rules.

- Following the MiL Draft, the Reserve Draft shall take place as usual. Any prospects not taken in the MiL Draft are eligible for the reserve draft with none of the aforementioned benefits above. For auction time constraints and amount of players taken via auction and Farm Draft, the reserve Draft is reduced to three rounds with the remaining reserve spots being filled from the waiver wire.
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Re: Implementing a Farm System

Postby bigmck » Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:52 am

The league I run is much like yours. NL only, been around 17 years with most of the owners here for at least ten years. We had never had a Minor League (ML) system until a couple years ago. It was only one player. This caused a lot of problems. == If a player had been drafted as a ML in 2010 and was in the 2011 spring training and it was obvious he would be the opening day 3B (David Freese). Did this player need to be counted as one the Keepers or could he be activated immediately after the season started from the ML Roster? There were other things like this too that just made it impractical so the ML player was eliminated. I like it better without. If a hot ML player is about to be brought up to the Majors, it is fun to bid on him. We use the FAAB instead of waivers. == One thing you might be aware of. We had our ML draft before our MLB auction. The reason being that someone always finished their team an hour or so early and they could then leave. Good luck with it.
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Re: Implementing a Farm System

Postby fantasygameday » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:15 pm

Two issues that you need to consider...

1. How to handle the amateur draft in June

We have a rule that any player selected during the 2011 amateur draft as not eligible to be picked up during the 2011 season. This goes for either the minor league or major league roster.

2. How to handle international players

Leonys Martin is the perfect example. When do you allow him to be added to a roster? Are international players considered to be prospects? Technically they do not violate the rookie requirements, but they may not sign in time. Martin signed with the Rangers after the season started.

We had an issue with both of these types of players since we started the FGD Keeper League a few years ago. We have an 8 player minor league farm system for each of the 12 teams. Owners tend to be very creative.
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Re: Implementing a Farm System

Postby lane_anasazi2 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:35 pm

Some issues I see:

bigmck wrote:Players eligible to be drafted or kept as FARM players are those who have not lost their rookie eligibility (equal to or less than130AB, 50IP).


It's actually equal to, not equal to or less than. if a player hits that threshold exactly they lose their rookie status. It's a minor point but you need to be clear when you modify the league rules.

Goatrider wrote:At the time activated by MLB, fantasy owner must roster the Farm player in the active roster, reserves, or be released.


At what time? Same day? Same week? Same season?

Goatrider wrote: Any prospects not taken in the MiL Draft are eligible for the reserve draft with none of the aforementioned benefits above


You need to define "prospect." It can't just by "anyone who hasn't accumulated 130AB/50IP," because if so I could have taken Yu Darvish in 2008 or whatever. Same with Martin or Cespedes or heck, Bryce Harper a couple years ago. You need to put some constraints on who is considered a prospect in terms of having actually signed with an MLB team.

Good luck with the system. Personally I feel if you're going to do the minors 3 players each is a bit light, but if that's what works for your league, more power to you.
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Re: Implementing a Farm System

Postby bigmck » Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:57 am

Rookie Requiremetns


MLB Miscellany: Rules, regulations and statistics

Determining rookie status:
A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues; or (b) accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club or clubs during the period of 25-player limit (excluding time in the military service and time on the disabled list).


http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/ab ... ations.jsp
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Re: Implementing a Farm System

Postby mkultra » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:13 pm

The point about when you're required to promote someone is a good one.

Also, I'm assuming you use one of the "big" sites for your league, such that you're basically handling your farm system via some sort of separate spreadsheet or similar. I'd make it clear what happens when someone "accidentally" acquires a farm-eligible player onto their major league roster because that player was available in the site's player pool. I know, you're all adults, but it's bound to happen, and if it affects things like FAAB bids, waiver position, etc., it's good to have a clear "here's how we undo this" policy.
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Re: Implementing a Farm System

Postby Curtis Pride » Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:04 pm

sorry, first post was tldr.

But, one thing you can do if the old guard is really overwhelmed with "tracking" minor leaguers during the year, is just make it so minor leaguers can't be traded.

That way the newbies get to have their minor league fix and can research minor leaguers during the offseason and get who they want. While the old guard can just draft off of Baseball America's list during the offseason, and not have to worry about the new guys continuously picking up awesome minor leaguers for free during the season and flipping them in trade and throwing off the competitive balance of the league.

Two control rules:
1. Minor leaguers can't be picked up or traded during the season. You have one draft during the offseason/preason. You keep them all year. If they get promoted and lose rookie eligibility, they can be kept for the team. If they are still a minor league eligible during the next draft, they can be kept. Or you can drop them and draft someone else.
2. Only players currently under contract with a major league team are eligible (so no Yu Darvis getting drafted, or Steven Strasburg in college, etc)
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Re: Implementing a Farm System

Postby lane_anasazi2 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:37 am

bigmck wrote:Rookie Requiremetns


MLB Miscellany: Rules, regulations and statistics

Determining rookie status:
A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues; or (b) accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club or clubs during the period of 25-player limit (excluding time in the military service and time on the disabled list).


http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/ab ... ations.jsp


Fair enough. We go 130/50 in my dynasty league; I just assumed that it mirrored the MLB rule. Do most prospect lists and such do it that way? That is if a player had 130 AB exactly would he still be featured on prospect lists?
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Re: Implementing a Farm System

Postby Goatrider » Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:54 pm

Thank you gentlemen!

Great tips. Lane- used your suggestions to clean up some language.

I have always been told exactly 130 at bats remains rookie eligible and from the word "exceeded 130 at bats", I don't see a reason to think otherwise.

Hopefully it all goes well. The old guard talked the youngsters down to three MiL places with an eye to expand in a year or two.

Really appreciate it!
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Re: Implementing a Farm System

Postby ohgeezjoe » Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:01 pm

Hi, guys

I'm just going to piggyback on this thread since my situation is pretty similar.

I like a lot of the ideas here, and having a small farm system (3 players sounds nice and manage-able with the desired effect)

Planned on keeping track of the farm systems in a separate spreadsheet is pretty simple for us, but I was wondering how other league prevent these players from being picked up by teams that aren't paying attention in Yahoo. Is there an ability to lock a list of players from transactions? Or do we just have to be vigilant about making sure there are no accidental pickups?

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